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9/1/2010 12:24:31 PM
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How is Flag Juggling a glitch/exploit? [Voice your opinion!]
I've seen numerous amounts of threads with people talking about how flag juggling is a glitch/exploit and how it's great that it's been fixed in Reach. May I ask why people suggest that it's a glitch? I know there are alot of intelligent users here so I'm looking for well thought out replies.
[quote][b]This thread may not apply to you![/b][/quote]
Bear in mind.
> Flag juggling was around in Halo:CE
> Flag juggling was around in Halo 2
> This 'glitch' wasn't fixed for Halo 3
> Is it possible that Bungie has changed this to cater for the majority of Halo's lesser skilled players? (imo Brigadiers and below) Note: That's my opinion, I'm entitled.
> Is it possible that Bungie hates Competitive aspects of gaming and is trying to wipe it out of their games slowly?
-Flag Juggling in itself is a skill. Not anybody can perform said action quickly and effectively. There is a huge skill gap when it comes to flag juggling which shows how much skill it takes. Not to mention that you are constantly reminded of the flag runner's position as the flag icon is showing their path.
-Compare your flag juggle to a Major League Gaming professional player who can toss it twice as far as you, promotes skill while still maintains a balanced game.
-If the other team manages to get a cap on you while you're all re-spawning and he's flag juggling, it's your fault not theirs. They have map control, they maintain map control, they benefit from their skills.
- It's not hard to stop a flag juggler unless your team has been completely annihilated and is on spawn, or you're the kind of person who thinks that playing good defense in CTF means camping your own base.
- CTF with flag juggling adds pace to the game and is fair. Whether it's an exploit or not isn't even really relevant. It adds to gameplay. (I've never seen any evidence that it is an exploit)
- Interestingly, walking the flag takes a lot more skill when flag juggling is a part of the game! If walking is the only way to travel with the flag, then it's always expected, but if juggling is more the norm, then you can occasionally make great plays walking the flag, because people aren't as prepared for it. Ever seen a pro walk the flag in an MLG event? It doesn't happen often (and seems to happen more on Narrows than on any other map), but when it works, it's bad ass. Always a clever play. Removing flag juggling removes this kind of cleverness.
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[b]Against Flag Running:[/b]
> Promotes Teamwork as your Objective player is walking the flag across the map instead of juggling at an increased speed.
> I guess it could take more skill if it means an increase of time of having to defend your objective player.
>'Levels the playing field'.
>'Allows the game to be played like it was intended.'
> 'Promotes an equal ground for new players who don't know how to flag run'
> Means not having to listen to the announcer saying, 'Flag Stolen, Flag Dropped repeatedly.
> Latency in-game affected the speed at which it could be performed providing a disadvantage for the off-host team.
Discuss.
This is a re-post of an old thread of mine. I just want to gather more opinions from members now that we're closer to release date.
[Edited on 09.01.2010 4:26 AM PDT]
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Flag juggling is obviously and exploit - Bungie designed the game so that you walk slower with the flag, and flag juggling stops that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jiggly Luv Exploit or not, flag juggling is like grenade jumping; none of which will ever be changed. There really is no reason to; it adds to the depth of the game.[/quote]It adds speed to the game, not depth.
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A) Everyone can do it with the controls given to them without extensive practice and precision. B) It brings another tactic to the game and adds choice. C) It is penalized by showing Flag location and the possibility of making a mistake (like dropping it off the map). D) Setting could be changed for faster flag carrier. So I don't really see what the complaint is all about. This thread just seems like some whining nublets who want to nerf the dynamic elements in the gameplay, so it's easier for them. Exploit or not, flag juggling is like grenade jumping; none of which will ever be changed. There really is no reason to; it adds to the depth of the game.
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IMO flag juggling is not a skill, as you put it, it is more of a risk, than a skill. You risk whether or not you want to get the flag back to base quicker, and also get seen by the opposing team. I also think your opinion that people under Brig's are 'lesser skilled' is complete and utter bullshiz. I'm only a Captain Grade 3, but that's because Ii dislike ranked; I'm my highest skill in team doubles, and I have yet to find anyone good enough to play with as my previous partner switched to PS3. Broaden your horizon, never assume someone is lesser skilled because of their number or rank in-game. Its TrueSkill ranking that matters; not Halo 3 Skill rating. I have 2 Generals on my friends list, and in our group, there's a Major and he rapes every single one of us without fail. Just because someone didn't pursue in ranked to level 50 does NOT mean that they are at all lesser skilled. Unless there like an apprentice or something. lol
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FirewalI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Palien90 Also, your "LOLOLOL anyone below Brigadier is not skilled" is a horribly stupid comment. The number of ranked games you play means NOTHING to ANYONE.[/quote] It may mean nothing to you, but with the current skill system as easy as it is to obtain a 50, anyone in my eyes who still has not achieved this skill is not very talented at the game. [/quote] Oh yeah, JUST because I am not a 50, I suck. JUST because I don't play Ranked, I suck. JUST because Social is more fun to play, I suck. I clearly see your logic there, OP.
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[quote]You do know grammer dosent matter in a forum?[/quote] I am aware. [Edited on 09.01.2010 6:56 AM PDT]
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who cares? its out of the game so its done, and by this being out it now adds more skill to the game. If you cant see that then your blind my friend.
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Edit: In response to duder above me (quoted me,) a well organized team should be able to take out a flag carrier no questions asked. If the other team managed to kill you, there's either something wrong with the way your team is playing, or the way you are playing. my two cents, really. I couldn't care anyways. [Edited on 09.01.2010 6:56 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xdarkxkamikazex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper "so what if a" i`m sorry but what?!? and it doesn`t promote teamwork because you`re running faster than normal and you can easily turn round and shoot that guy attempting to stop you in a few seconds i`ve been in a match where all my team except me and the flag juggler were camping at the spawn the match didn`t even last a minute[/quote] im guessing that u won right if so the whole enemy team where just a bunch of mindless idiots cuz i have no problem killing the flag juggler with teamwork and strategy mater a fact any group of people with -blam!- teamwork and strategy can kill a flag juggler with no problem[/quote] nope because i made my teamates quit by attempting to play fairly spelling mistakes 1:u 2:cuz 3:mater either stop Leet talking or just learn to spell
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blerbman It's an advantage. Who really cares. The trade-off is always seeing where the flag is. So it's either take your time and be sneaky, or try to run it, but at the same time you're yelling "HEY LOOK YOUR FLAGS HERE COME N GET IT :D"[/quote] this also ant to my theory that it takes teamwork and strategy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blerbman It's an advantage. Who really cares. The trade-off is always seeing where the flag is. So it's either take your time and be sneaky, or try to run it, but at the same time you're yelling "HEY LOOK YOUR FLAGS HERE COME N GET IT :D"[/quote]Even then, it's always advantageous to juggle the flag, considering that maps have limited routes and most of time the enemy already knows where you're at even if you didn't juggle it. [Edited on 09.01.2010 6:51 AM PDT]
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It's an advantage. Who really cares. The trade-off is always seeing where the flag is. So it's either take your time and be sneaky, or try to run it, but at the same time you're yelling "HEY LOOK YOUR FLAGS HERE COME N GET IT :D"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper "so what if a" i`m sorry but what?!? and it doesn`t promote teamwork because you`re running faster than normal and you can easily turn round and shoot that guy attempting to stop you in a few seconds i`ve been in a match where all my team except me and the flag juggler were camping at the spawn the match didn`t even last a minute[/quote] im guessing that u won right if so the whole enemy team where just a bunch of mindless idiots cuz i have no problem killing the flag juggler with teamwork and strategy mater a fact any group of people with -blam!- teamwork and strategy can kill a flag juggler with no problem
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OMARRCHR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Royal Fool 47 Flag carriers are supposed to run slow. Flag juggling bypasses this speed penalty. Thus, it's an exploit.[/quote] Exactly. Plus it ruins the whole game with the constant "flag dropped" and "flag stolen" voice.[/quote] I'm going replay "flag dropped" "flag stolen" as you juggle my balls in you mouth
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They see me Jugglin, they hatin.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Royal Fool 47 Flag carriers are supposed to run slow. Flag juggling bypasses this speed penalty. Thus, it's an exploit.[/quote] Exactly. Plus it ruins the whole game with the constant "flag dropped" and "flag stolen" voice.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] codycombs This thread is full of puncuation errors. [/quote] You do know grammer dosent matter in a forum?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] codycombs This thread is full of puncuation errors. [/quote] lol is a grammar -blam!-
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SAR02 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Thats Cooper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SAR02 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Thats Cooper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SAR02 Also I believe it takes more skill/teamwork to walk the flag. Is it easier to kill the opposing team once and then have no furhter resistance or would it require greater skill to be able to fend off multiple attacks from various directions while walking the flag. Exactly... [/quote] O but is it easier to kill a guy walking the flag or a guy running it? It really doesn't take any teamwork or skill to recover from losing control and having your flag stolen when you can die and respawn 3 or 4 times before the other team can cap.[/quote] Clearly it's easier to kill someone walking it. But that's the point! It's meant to be a competition. Do you really enjoy a game where you can run the flag three times with almost no contest from the other team. Or is it more enjoyable (and balanced) to have to defend the falg once you've taken it?[/quote] Do you really enjoy a game where you can easily stop flag runs without having any semblance of map control just because he's incredibly slow? Or is it more enjoyable(and balanced) to have to work as a team to stop the other team from capping when they have your flag out?[/quote] I was in the middle of writing a response and got bored. You're essentially taking on the role of troll in this topic and I'm bugging out. Take that as a win if you so please, but bear in mind that a majority of the Halo population does not care for your overly competitive attitude and prefer a balanced, fun game in which wins and losses are almost equally common.[/quote] That sir is Un-American. Go live in a socialist society if you want to win one lose one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xdarkxkamikazex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper lol you can`t even spell troll or strategy right you`re so right that flag juggling promotes teamwork/sarcasm[/quote] so what if a spelled two words wrong who give a -blam!- and second then explain how it doesn't promote teamwork and strategy[/quote] "so what if a" i`m sorry but what?!? and it doesn`t promote teamwork because you`re running faster than normal and you can easily turn round and shoot that guy attempting to stop you in a few seconds i`ve been in a match where all my team except me and the flag juggler were camping at the spawn the match didn`t even last a minute
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Honestly I'd be okay with juggling if it wasn't for the announcer. Ugh.
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This thread is full of puncuation errors.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Monsta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] John from AZ This thread is about whether it is an exploit worth removing or not. You are so adamant about getting rid of this so called exploit when you yourself play as an elite... which is unfair for everyone you play against.[/quote] so because i`d rather play as an elite than a power ranger or i enjoy being different i`m making it unfair for anyone i`m playing against really? i get killed alot in matches,infact in hostball i can never go a game without dying more than 10 times[/quote] So because I'd rather toss the flag around and sacrifice stealth for speed I'm making it unfair for anyone I'm playing against? Really?[/quote] you`re running at a faster speed than normal when the flag carrier is supposed to be slow so yeah you are because the flag carrier can make it to the cap point before the enemy respawn[/quote] You have the IQ of a field mouse
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkAero Trooper lol you can`t even spell troll or strategy right you`re so right that flag juggling promotes teamwork/sarcasm[/quote] so what if a spelled two words wrong who give a -blam!- and second then explain how it doesn't promote teamwork and strategy [Edited on 09.01.2010 6:34 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Thats Cooper [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vetto I have no idea why this thread even here the game gone gold, flag juggling is out, not amount of demand is going to change it now. [/quote] Actually there is a custom option that can be turned off and on at will. Fixing this mistake is quite easy.[/quote]Then fix it. Play Customs; if anything I see this game becoming like Halo 2 where Customs are the main thing while Matchmaking takes a backseat.
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Because you're not playing the way is was intended, dropping the flag was to choose to fight back or pass it to a team mate, not to cheat it in this way.
