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9/1/2010 12:24:31 PM
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How is Flag Juggling a glitch/exploit? [Voice your opinion!]
I've seen numerous amounts of threads with people talking about how flag juggling is a glitch/exploit and how it's great that it's been fixed in Reach. May I ask why people suggest that it's a glitch? I know there are alot of intelligent users here so I'm looking for well thought out replies.
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Bear in mind.
> Flag juggling was around in Halo:CE
> Flag juggling was around in Halo 2
> This 'glitch' wasn't fixed for Halo 3
> Is it possible that Bungie has changed this to cater for the majority of Halo's lesser skilled players? (imo Brigadiers and below) Note: That's my opinion, I'm entitled.
> Is it possible that Bungie hates Competitive aspects of gaming and is trying to wipe it out of their games slowly?
-Flag Juggling in itself is a skill. Not anybody can perform said action quickly and effectively. There is a huge skill gap when it comes to flag juggling which shows how much skill it takes. Not to mention that you are constantly reminded of the flag runner's position as the flag icon is showing their path.
-Compare your flag juggle to a Major League Gaming professional player who can toss it twice as far as you, promotes skill while still maintains a balanced game.
-If the other team manages to get a cap on you while you're all re-spawning and he's flag juggling, it's your fault not theirs. They have map control, they maintain map control, they benefit from their skills.
- It's not hard to stop a flag juggler unless your team has been completely annihilated and is on spawn, or you're the kind of person who thinks that playing good defense in CTF means camping your own base.
- CTF with flag juggling adds pace to the game and is fair. Whether it's an exploit or not isn't even really relevant. It adds to gameplay. (I've never seen any evidence that it is an exploit)
- Interestingly, walking the flag takes a lot more skill when flag juggling is a part of the game! If walking is the only way to travel with the flag, then it's always expected, but if juggling is more the norm, then you can occasionally make great plays walking the flag, because people aren't as prepared for it. Ever seen a pro walk the flag in an MLG event? It doesn't happen often (and seems to happen more on Narrows than on any other map), but when it works, it's bad ass. Always a clever play. Removing flag juggling removes this kind of cleverness.
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[b]Against Flag Running:[/b]
> Promotes Teamwork as your Objective player is walking the flag across the map instead of juggling at an increased speed.
> I guess it could take more skill if it means an increase of time of having to defend your objective player.
>'Levels the playing field'.
>'Allows the game to be played like it was intended.'
> 'Promotes an equal ground for new players who don't know how to flag run'
> Means not having to listen to the announcer saying, 'Flag Stolen, Flag Dropped repeatedly.
> Latency in-game affected the speed at which it could be performed providing a disadvantage for the off-host team.
Discuss.
This is a re-post of an old thread of mine. I just want to gather more opinions from members now that we're closer to release date.
[Edited on 09.01.2010 4:26 AM PDT]
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MLG works fine with Flag Juggling, I don't see why it needed to be taken away. But then again, I just stat whore now anyway, no need to play objective in Reach when you don't get rewarded for winning.
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i think this comes down to certain gamers who would rather just get shot in the back than throw the flag and shoot the guy trying to kill u,so u can call it an exploit if U want but in my eyes it is just common sense..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iXi DrAg0n iXi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FirewalI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PvtToonz Example on how it's not an exploit: It's in the game. If it's a glitch... then why not use it. It helps increase the speed of the game and it is fairly used. If you don't want to use it then you can have fun trying to beat a team who does wan't to use it. Over sheild is supposed to be extra sheilds. But when you grab it you've got about 6 seconds of invincibility. People are going to make use of that six seconds. What player (that is at all smart or skilled) will hide for six seconds so they can make the game fair... answer me that.[/quote] Very fair judgment. I think people just hate losing to flag jugglers. If they're running your flag away, obviously they had a good enough setup in the first place. If you don't stop them, your fault. [/quote] So.... You revived your own thread from 2 months ago just to say you agreed with someone from TWO MONTHS AGO who will probably NEVER read this thread ever again and then say you play black ops so your ENTIRE argument is pointless? Congratulations you won the idiot of the day award.[/quote] 13 days play time. Very nice for a 2 month old game... :) Oh, and why so serious? I just want to have a discussion about Flagss.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FirewalI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PvtToonz Example on how it's not an exploit: It's in the game. If it's a glitch... then why not use it. It helps increase the speed of the game and it is fairly used. If you don't want to use it then you can have fun trying to beat a team who does wan't to use it. Over sheild is supposed to be extra sheilds. But when you grab it you've got about 6 seconds of invincibility. People are going to make use of that six seconds. What player (that is at all smart or skilled) will hide for six seconds so they can make the game fair... answer me that.[/quote] Very fair judgment. I think people just hate losing to flag jugglers. If they're running your flag away, obviously they had a good enough setup in the first place. If you don't stop them, your fault. [/quote] So.... You revived your own thread from 2 months ago just to say you agreed with someone from TWO MONTHS AGO who will probably NEVER read this thread ever again and then say you play black ops so your ENTIRE argument is pointless? Congratulations you won the idiot of the day award.
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If you want to go fast use a revenant/warthog/mongoose.
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Doesn't matter to me anymore, I've moved onto a better game. Black Ops. <33
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PvtToonz Example on how it's not an exploit: It's in the game. If it's a glitch... then why not use it. It helps increase the speed of the game and it is fairly used. If you don't want to use it then you can have fun trying to beat a team who does wan't to use it. Over sheild is supposed to be extra sheilds. But when you grab it you've got about 6 seconds of invincibility. People are going to make use of that six seconds. What player (that is at all smart or skilled) will hide for six seconds so they can make the game fair... answer me that.[/quote] Very fair judgment. I think people just hate losing to flag jugglers. If they're running your flag away, obviously they had a good enough setup in the first place. If you don't stop them, your fault.
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Example on how it's not an exploit: It's in the game. If it's a glitch... then why not use it. It helps increase the speed of the game and it is fairly used. If you don't want to use it then you can have fun trying to beat a team who does wan't to use it. Over sheild is supposed to be extra sheilds. But when you grab it you've got about 6 seconds of invincibility. People are going to make use of that six seconds. What player (that is at all smart or skilled) will hide for six seconds so they can make the game fair... answer me that.
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personally i think its a good thing that flag juggling is gone, but not because it might have been considered an exploit, i think it actually takes more skill for the flag runner to while running slower with the flag, and it also takes more skill for the other team to work together and stop him
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I just do it that way I can get the cap faster. Flag juggling imo is a part of the game. Maybe it's just me but I've toned out the whole "flag taken. flag dropped" thing. You can see where the person is taking the flag when you juggle. You can't when they run with it. I don't see how it's an exploit because then reload canceling and YY is an exploit or glitch.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FirewalI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Palien90 Also, your "LOLOLOL anyone below Brigadier is not skilled" is a horribly stupid comment. The number of ranked games you play means NOTHING to ANYONE.[/quote] It may mean nothing to you, but with the current skill system as easy as it is to obtain a 50, anyone in my eyes who still has not achieved this skill is not very talented at the game. [/quote] ever hear of social?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Don Nukeareli They should leave it in reach just not have the guy say it over and over and just show it on your screen[/quote] Moving at full speed negates the need to do it.
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They should leave it in reach just not have the guy say it over and over and just show it on your screen
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I Xi3 I [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dropship dude Firewall, you made this exact same thread a while ago, and it was locked. Remaking it is a bit dim, don't you think? Flag juggling is an exploit. If you were supposed to be able to run at full speed with the flag, then you wouldn't move slower when you pick it up. If anything Bungie should just make us run at full speed with the flag in Reach, seeing as movement speeds have been decreased slightly. That way people wouldn't irritate everyone with the "flag taken, flag dropped" loops.[/quote] I couldnt agree with this guy more. We all hate the annoying loop, and we also hate the exploit, so it would be in Bungies best intrest to allow flag carriers not to run at full speed because they would have an advantage [given the flag is powerful], so maybe like eighty percent so that flag runners wont be tempted to keep juggling the flag.[/quote] Sprint and Jetpack will put them at a serious disadvantage. Think of how awful the Beta CTF was. It was like a head butting contest. The flag carrier would usually more two steps at a time. Now all they need is some quick flag return times and we will be set for some great MM ctf. 10-15 sec. returns. It depends on the map. [Edited on 09.05.2010 7:52 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dropship dude Firewall, you made this exact same thread a while ago, and it was locked. Remaking it is a bit dim, don't you think? Flag juggling is an exploit. If you were supposed to be able to run at full speed with the flag, then you wouldn't move slower when you pick it up. If anything Bungie should just make us run at full speed with the flag in Reach, seeing as movement speeds have been decreased slightly. That way people wouldn't irritate everyone with the "flag taken, flag dropped" loops.[/quote] I couldnt agree with this guy more. We all hate the annoying loop, and we also hate the exploit, so it would be in Bungies best intrest to allow flag carriers not to run at full speed because they would have an advantage [given the flag is powerful], so maybe like eighty percent so that flag runners wont be tempted to keep juggling the flag.
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Okay then my bad, I assumed you meant noob by noob and not newb. I don't even see how this thread serves a purpose other than to make a flame war, since Bungie have taken it out of the game and that is that.
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I left an awful lot of "unsporting conduct" feedback due to flag juggling. So mush so, that I just avoided CTF all together. It clearly is not the way the game was intended to be played. [Edited on 09.05.2010 7:48 AM PDT]
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and i should care why. what i meant was new players tend to not juggle, jesus you all take it so seriously, its a flag in a game. its a quicker way you can do it the enemy can do it its really no big deal. -__- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrJamming [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperToaster15 meh. i always found falg juggling, to jsut be the way it is. noobs run with it, people who know what they are doing juggle, it doesnt annoy me and its pretty much just part of the game i dont see the problem how about you dont let them get your flag, problem solved.[/quote] So I'm a noob for pretty much never failing to make a capture without juggling? Every time I juggle I get killed, majority every time I don't I make it back and score.[/quote]
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whats the big deal about falg juggling what a exactly does it do? you can flag juggle they can falg juggle its not like they are hacking the game. gawd, they are simple taking the flag back ina a quicker way you can do the same so wahts the problem?! ok they fixed it i dont care just means i wont juggle flags, jezz these post are stupid, but i guess it passes the time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperToaster15 meh. i always found falg juggling, to jsut be the way it is. noobs run with it, people who know what they are doing juggle, it doesnt annoy me and its pretty much just part of the game i dont see the problem how about you dont let them get your flag, problem solved.[/quote] So I'm a noob for pretty much never failing to make a capture without juggling? Every time I juggle I get killed, majority every time I don't I make it back and score.
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I believe it's an exploit, but everyone knows how to do it, so it levels out. I don't care. I've won games against people who juggle by walking/driving the flag to the base.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] John from AZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SaturnMandel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] John from AZ My thoughts on the matter are...before we had a choice on how to run a flag...we no longer have that choice. Bungie is like Big Government, and they are brainwashing you to believe that choice is a bad thing.[/quote] Or they want their game to be played like it was supposed to in matchmaking, while allowing you to feel free about how the heck you want to play in custom games with a -blam!- ton of customization options for gametypes and maps, and even an option to turn flag juggling on[/quote] They didn't make there game play like it is supposed to be played..the flag is SUPPOSED to be heavy. Now it is not. You can run FULL speed with the flag. They basically went against everything in CE 2 and 3 for what reason?[/quote] AAs changed everything. Beta CTF was garbage because of AAs vs a slow moving objective carrier. It was a mosh pit!
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I hate it because the people who do it are mainly elitist hardcore wanabee players that annoy the crap out of me when they say it is the way Halo is meant to be played and how it is [i]professional[/i] to do so. I have yet to hear a legit claim as to how it is a good thing rather than it creating faster gameplay, which is actually not fun at all from a casual viewpoint.
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meh. i always found falg juggling, to jsut be the way it is. noobs run with it, people who know what they are doing juggle, it doesnt annoy me and its pretty much just part of the game i dont see the problem how about you dont let them get your flag, problem solved.
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