Tl;dr for people on crunch time: Broken gun, D1 pvp vs. D2 pvp, conclusion: gun needs nerf

I don't agree. To me, the solution is partially randomized rolls, so people can have customization but not enough to accidentially make some rolls OP and seperate balancing for PvP and PvE. I really don't understand how all this can still be an issue, over 3 years after the vanilla launch...It's really not that hard, when you think about it!

[quote]the fact this is all such a debate is pathetic... It is so obviously [b]fun*[/b][/quote]

[quote]Oh my god...I don't even know where to start.... The mere fact that "Prometheus Lens" is polarizing...THAT'S what's wrong with the gaming community in general. You can all argue as much as you want and make excuses why you like it. It's because it makes you feel superior. It makes you believe you finally got that skill you always thought you had, that you are elite! YES!!!! I'm better than all of you!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA... It's the same reason so many people use cheats in online games. You guys just have shit personalities. I would ask you to own it and just be honest about it, but that's the problem. You don't even care, as long as it makes you look good, it's fair game. Listen...the gun is OP...Crucible is broken right now and we are just a few days in. What do you think the game will look like in 1 month, when everyone has it. This needs to be fixed, just as it needed to with Suros Regime and Vex Mythoclast, you all know it. Bringing down the other guns to the same ttk as Prometheus Lens is just pure nonsense! D1's time to kill was nearly EXACTLY the same as in D2. So don't say that's the reason why you don't want it nerfed, and all the other weapons buffed. That's just not true. I understand that you guys WANT IT to be true...but facts are facts. You're wrong. You just want to be better. Up until the moment someone with more skill ends up killing you 3 times in a row with the "Oh so fun OP weapon" and you feel mortal and ordinary again, because everyone is using it and you're reminded that you suck. So you cling on to this little piece of superiority for dear life, instead of thinking about someone other than yourself. Up to the end, everyone was complainig about D1 PvP....this and that is too strong, omg PvP is so shitty, I can't wait to play D2!!! And now, all of a sudden, it's what you want D2 to be like? Now D1 was balanced??? Stop it! Revisionist history, guys! Prometheus Lens is way too strong, it needs a nerf, it wasn't even supposed to kill so fast, all the other weapons are fine (except some fine tuning), we need 6v6 (gives different dynamics, more chances of 1v1) and Rumble back, let us choose the game mode, show us the connection quality and PvP will be fixed. It's really not that hard. Lots of games have done it. "That's why it's fun to use", he says...yeah no shit Sherlock...just think before you say stupid stuff like that. Look up the facts! Now I don't even know where to stop!!! Sorry for the rant....but F**K!!!![/quote] This wins the day well said

[quote]nearly EXACTLY[/quote] I like everything you have to say except that. That's all.

StrongBad gets it, be more like StrongBad.

Played a game with all 4 of opposite team using that gun, so not fun, we got spawned, we couldn't hide cause one shot has afterburner effects so turning a corner or hiding was futile, that gun is toxic incarnate... Edit: lol forgot to mention that I agree with you the gun is bad for pvp

Jesus , someone else understands 😂

I remember people like you from D1, always crying about the ever changing meta. Just play the game.

A grown ip game rated T for 13 year olds.... k

Yup! Me, my wife, and son too! :)

Oh? Anything to support your statement? I have proof that some guns only take a few more shots (or the same amount) to kill somebody in crucible.

Listen...across the board, ttk is up by a tenth of a second on crits and by about half a second on body shots. Almost every online shooter does that, as it widens the skill gap, which is good. A lot of people loved Destiny 1, because it was so easy to kill someone, especially with bad internet. Destiny 1 is not really a skill game, when it comes to PvP. You just had to use the Meta, follow some basic rules and you'd have a 2.0 K/D. That's not how "real" PvP games manage the skill gap. So stop blaming the "time to kill", when it's just a lack of skill. Hit your crits, use cover, don't run blindly around the map and you will be good. Oh and pray for solid matchmaking....but that's a whole other story. I know it sounds wrong but TTK is not the issue here.

Incorrect? I think youre just blocking facts out because you don’t want to admit your wrong. Scout rifles are a good example because most only take 1 more shot than destiny 1 or some event take the same amount of shots to kill! But according to you that doesn’t matter. Team shooting is always going to be a thing, your opinions about how it became a thing because of lower ttk are irrelevant. If a game is going to be based on teamwork, then people who move as a team will always be there. [i]And they will always be superior.[/i] Mida and uriel’s aren’t a problem because of their ttk, well uriel’s is but that’s the whole subclass not just the weapon. The real thing that makes these two weapons good is the perks. Uriel’s probably has the best perks out of all auto rifles like it, and mida is just a 200 RoF scout but better because of its good perks for an exotic.