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Edited by Mr Bubz:
11/25/2017 5:49:51 PM
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No, the Dreadnaught is not that big.
Whenever people talk about the size of the dreadnaught they allways talk about it in terms of planets or moons, why? The only source people use is from the orbit screen above Saturn and comparing the ship to the size of saturns rings. That's one source, why do people assume that's the official size? Especially when there are far more sources suggesting the dreadnaught is not even close to moon size.
To make the point quick for people, it is Saturn that is out of scale (for obvious game design reasons) . Saturn just happens to be externally small, the dreadnaught is not that big.
Source 1. In the very first cutscene showing the dreadnaught arriving in the solar system we see a warsat (only about as big as a truck) crash into the dreadnaught. From that alone we get a good sense of scale. Not only that but the dreadnaught is escorted by multiple hive dropships which we fight all the time, further showing the scale of the ship to be much smaller than what people think.
http://s3.accelerated-ideas.com/news/images/destiny_oryxs_dreadnaught_1.jpg
Source 2. In the battle above Saturn we see a fleet of ketches battle the dreadnaught, when the dreadnaught fires its main hub we see a good shot of the ship compared to the size of a ketch, granted it is several times bigger than a ketch ?maybe 10/12 times bigger, but again not even close to planet size, and if you still believe the dreadnaught to be planet size based on how big it is compared to saturns rings then you have to admit that a ketch is planet sized because in the battle above Saturn we see ketches are also massive compared to Saturn. https://pm1.narvii.com/6018/72d65e03335f989d6fa92a7c539269fb831e3031_hq.jpg
Source 3. When standing on the edge of the dreadnaught in patrol you can easily see the angle of the ship in comparison to a guardian, essentially looking at a guardian in comparison to the hull of the ship, you can clearly see it is not planet sized.
https://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Dreadnaught-Exterior-In-Game.jpg.optimal.jpg
So No, the dreadnaught is not that big. If you think it is then you also have to concede that a fallen ketch is planet sized also based on similar shots of a ketch within saturns rings
Based on this I would say the dreadnaught is around the 10/15 Kilometers in length. Making it a massive ship, but not even close to planet sized.
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I did some math of my own on this, Taking from the cutscene of the fight between Oryx and the Awoken we see that the diameter of the circle which is the source of the primary weapon. It is roughly 1/11 of the length of the ship. Moving forward to the cutscene where we sneak onto the ship we see a comparison of our ship to said circle. Taking these measurements the ship is about 1/26 the length of the circle. Moving forward the ship model which is being used is Eris Morn's ship which was seen behind her in the tower during the dark below. Taking her height is about the height of our own guardian. (Male or Female) So we will average the height of both average male and average female height giving us 5'8" or 68 inches. Since the ship is about 3 times her height in width we know her ship is roughly 204 inches across. Furthermore taking the ship compared to the circle we get 442 feet. Tagging on the circle compared to the ship itself we get 4,862 feet or .92 miles. So yes. We are seeing a very small Saturn which is no where near proportional. Comparing the scales this Saturn seen is actually 1/2364 meaning the diameter of this Saturn in destiny is a mere 30.6 miles. Taking that into consideration. If this scale was in fact correct and Saturn was at its proper size and the dreadnaught was actually as large as stated. Our guardian would be 14184 feet tall or 2.7 miles. :)
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1 ReplyYour entire theory is wrong because it wasn't a Warsat it was a Russian comet. https://youtu.be/DAbFWg9uVfc
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I have been saying this for a while now. Their are way too many assumption, first assuming that Saturn is drawn to scale. Second being that a rock that happens to look similar to 67p or whatever its called, is in fact that comet. In the game world we have a very clear size comparison to the Ketch ships which are aprox. 1500 ft long and if the Dreadnaught is approx. 10 times their size that puts it at 15,000 ft long or roughly 3 miles long (2.84 if you want to get picky, then I would say a solid 3 when you include the pillars hanging off the edge of the dreadnaught.
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The Dreadnaught is thought to be "big" because we couldn't sparrow on it. It's not a large playable space but the fact we had to walk/run the entire thing made it feel larger.
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1 ReplyYou clearly never played D1.
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3 Replies[quote]The only source people use is from the orbit screen above Saturn and comparing the ship to the size of saturns rings.[/quote] Saturn's rings are around 175,000 miles wide.....so that's a big Dreadnaught.
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1 ReplyEdited by EchoAquarius: 11/27/2017 3:28:44 PMI forget where i found this, but it is supposedly between 5 and 6 thousand miles long. Meaning there is so much more we could discover on it, apart from the core, the court of oryx, and oryx's throne. I remember back in d1, I found somewhere that the approximate size of the hole in Saturn's rings appears to be not much larger than the earth. Considering the size of the dreadnought in the hole, its reasonable to say it is at least 1/4 the size of the earth. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I found these, as it was back around the april update, so I can't supply my sources. And who's to say there aren't larger ketches? If i recall correctly, we have seen only two ketches on the surface of a planet (venus and earth). If you notice in the fallen public events both in d1 and d2, the ketches that you can see warping into orbit appear to be much larger. Also, given that the reef is effectively a ship graveyard, and that the awoken have fought the fallen there on multiple occasions, it is possible that they have faced larger fallen fleets, with ketches larger than we have seen.
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Can we just agree that it was an awesome place to explore and kill a good again....!!??
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uh actually the ships following along the dreadnaught arent the ones we se dropping in social spaces those you see in the jump puzzle during the raid inside the dreadnaught
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The fact that you can see the Dreadnaught from the surface of Titan speaks for itself. It may not be the size of a small planet, but it is definitely the size of a small moon. I would go as far as claiming it to be about the size of California, comparing it to images of the Earth being compared to Saturn.
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3 RepliesEdited by Haffoc: 11/25/2017 3:37:56 PMIn the cinematic you see a warsat in orbit around 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. It is 67P that you see crashing into the Dreadnaught. The size of 67P is given as 2.5 x 2.5 x 2.0 km for the small lobe and 4.1 x 3.2 x 1.3 km for the large lobe, it's diameter is roughly 4km. Here is an image of the comet striking the Dreadnaught and how insignificant it is https://i.imgur.com/VVSpdorh.jpg The comet is the black spot inside the white explosion. At a rough estimate the height of the Dreadnaught could easily be 100 times the diameter of the comet. The length 3-6 times the height of the Dreadnaught. So at a very rough minimum its 400x1200km upto as much as 400x2400km. Edit: It's difficult to judge it's height compared to length from the cutscene.
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Source 1, no sparrow.
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Scaling is all wrong in this game, consider how close the Almighty is to the Sun, then the Sun's size in cut scene, it would be soooooo much bigger.
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1 ReplyEdited by Smallershrub: 11/25/2017 6:02:11 AMSource 1: the hive dropships that you see in this fight are very small and zooming around, the ones that are escorting the dreadnought are warships, something we haven’t seen otherwise and would have even a harder time scaling those. Source 2: all the angles we have of this fight next to the queens ketch, are very close to the ketch (which makes the ketch seem bigger), and very far from the dreadnought (which makes it seem very small). The ketch never lines up right next to the dreadnought for a size comparison. Source 3: not trying to be an ass, but I just don’t understand what you’re trying to even say here.
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<For source 1... the Warsat is right next to a known comet... and it's the comet that crashes... that comet which is much, much bigger.>
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A least Calus has something over Oryx.
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Don't look at the warsate look at the asteroid, it exist in real life. Forgot what its called, you can find more on a YouTube video if you actually look for it.
