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Edited by bFLY:
11/23/2017 3:10:20 AM
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[quote]How is it possible for you guys to ruin the PvP that much....
In D1 it was easy to kill like 2 or 3 ppl.
Nowadays you have to be lucky that there isn't someone with a xim4 on pc or that you don't run into like 4ppl all the time while your team is playing tetris at starting points.
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I'll never understand why people don't get how to counter teams of people. You know how you keep yourself from getting ganged up on and slaughtered by a team of 4? It's simple:
[b][u]YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AN MLG LONE WOLF HERO And STOP RUNNING OFF BY YOURSELF[/u][/b]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people working as a team to take down the enemy. D2 is a team based pvp shooter. If you aren't smart enough to see that the other team is sticking together and adapt to that, it's on you. It takes literally zero communication to stick with your team in D2. You literally just follow at least 1 person around. No mic, no fireteam, no party chat needed.
Teamwork is a smart strategy, it doesn't need fixing, [b][u]you need to adapt. [/u][/b]
[quote]Give us our old PvP back where us guardians where able to go into PvP and win a match by ourself so we don't have to count on our team if they play like 2yer old kids[/quote]
This is silly. No legit, balanced, team-based pvp should allow 1 person to win the game without using his teammates at all. If you can single handedly take on 4 people and win that pvp is broken. Unless you're some pvp God (which 99% of us aren't) you shouldn't be able to win matches by yourself. That's a broken pvp, plain and simple.
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This game is shit and your logical post can’t change that. There is no diversity everyone runs with same weapons, no usable weapon perks accept high caliber rounds, only two paths for classes and just 4 skills in each, no freedom to build your subclass tree. And a lot of other things. Instead of graphics, menu improvements, animations, sounds and 2-3 strikes, this game is total waste of money and I’m glad that I didn’t buy the game with session pass.
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GENIUS PREACH
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you have hardcore players (enraged cinema) who refuse to play PVP for the same reasons, some saying it is one of the worst...they need to go back to 6v6 and mode selection or this will die.
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Edited by bFLY: 11/24/2017 3:49:29 AM[quote]you have hardcore players (enraged cinema) who refuse to play PVP for the same reasons, some saying it is one of the worst...they need to go back to 6v6 and mode selection or this will die.[/quote] 6v6 won't make a difference. If you're running around by yourself against a team that's sticking together you're going to die. I'm not sure why people seem to think 6v6 is this magic cure for their pvp troubles. I understand some "famous" YouTuber said it and now most are just parroting that without any real idea of how silly it sounds but even still. I honestly don't notice much of a difference between 4v4 and 6v6. I've been playing games like halo, where 4v4 is the standard mode in most ranked playlists for years. 6v6 felt almost identical to 4v4. Maybe if I really tried to think of a difference I could say the encounter rate feels slightly higher with 6v6 (as you'd expect) but even then it's a negligible difference. People are whining about 4v4 and "teamshooting", adding 4 more players to the match wouldn't change this and might make it worse for those who insist on running off on their own. Honestly though, I'd be totally content with Destiny being 4v4 or 6v6. Makes no difference to me. Mode selection would be great. That way people who want to ignore objectives and treat everything like clash can just go play clash and stop ruining my control matches lol
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because the maps are too large for 4x4 which forces you to stick to your team, which is basically camping while moving....stick together, guard heavy....halo is irrelevant...in D1 PVP was more fun...about 90% of the D1 players know this
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and... that is where the fun die..:( its silly when holding hands is a must; this pvp is a joke.
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Stupid comment. Successful online shooters all include so called "Hero Moments" where one player can change the outcome of the play. This holds true btw for all big team sport. Instead of "Hero Moments" call them "Micheal Jordan Moments". It does not hold true for D2. In your world of course, it is fun to play a game where 4 ppl stand on one side of the map, 4 ppl on the other and the shoot duck and cover style. Everything for winning, I guess...
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Edited by bFLY: 11/24/2017 4:24:16 AM[quote]Stupid comment. Successful online shooters all include so called "Hero Moments" where one player can change the outcome of the play. This holds true btw for all big team sport. Instead of "Hero Moments" call them "Micheal Jordan Moments". It does not hold true for D2. In your world of course, it is fun to play a game where 4 ppl stand on one side of the map, 4 ppl on the other and the shoot duck and cover style. Everything for winning, I guess...[/quote] Yea you said it right "hero [b][u]moments[/u][/b]". As they are fleeting and short lived. Not whole matches which is what People seem to be complaining about. Sure, every now and again you should be able to take down multiple opponents by yourself, but the average person (which is the majority of players) shouldn't be doing this all the time, especially against teams that are working together. That's my point. Op wants to run around lone wolf stomping in a team based pvp. Sure, it may work against a team who is also trying to run around lone wolf stomping. But if you're going against a team that is actually working together as a team, and you decide to lone wolf, you should get your ass handed to you. Don't complain, don't blame the game for allowing teamwork, just adapt and change your tactics. Use your teammates. It won't hurt, and it's the absolute number 1 reason that they are there lol Hardly any of my matches are simply 2 teams standing on either side of the map trading shots. You're reaching. Even if it were like that, what's to stop you and your team from pressing? If you the enemy is just standing in one area, that's a good advantage for you. Again, you and others like you are complaining and pointing fingers at non-issues, instead of just adapting and playing smart. I'm no pvp God, but this stuff is just common sense.
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yeah, there are 3 more people who run separateluy - you can stick with one of them and it will be still 2 vs 4 battles. good luck
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no, not if everyone sticks together
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[quote]I'll never understand why people don't get how to counter teams of people. You know how you keep yourself from getting ganged up on and slaughtered by a team of 4? It's simple: [b]YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AN MLG LONE WOLF HERO And STOP RUNNING OFF BY YOURSELF[/b] There is absolutely nothing wrong with people working as a team to take down the enemy. D2 is a team based pvp shooter. If you aren't smart enough to see that the other team is sticking together and adapt to that, it's on you. It takes literally zero communication to stick with your team in D2. You literally just follow at least 1 person around. No mic, no fireteam, no party chat needed. Teamwork is a smart strategy, it doesn't need fixing, [b]you need to adapt. [/b][/quote] I think you don't get my side. In my opinion PvP isn't about teams at all. When i am able to kill 1 enemy, there should be a chance of killing another one afterwards. But actually this isn't the case. Everytime you got shot down to very low HP so you have to rest. For me this isn't my kind of PvP and so it's my opinion that it should be changed because you play Player vs Player and not something like Player vs Team. [quote]This is silly. No legit, balanced, team-based pvp should allow 1 person to win the game without using his teammates at all. If you can single handedly take on 4 people and win that pvp is broken. Unless you're some pvp God (which 99% of us aren't) you shouldn't be able to win matches by yourself. That's a broken pvp, plain and simple.[/quote] I didn't talk about killing a whole team by myself, but there has to be a chance for me to kill like at least 2 ppl, maybe more. Actually i don't see a high chance of getting these in crucible or iron banner. So for me there is no really use of skill it's more like standing together as a team and moving like a swarm. Everyone has their own expectations on PvP but D2 for me isn't on the same lvl D1 was on PvP
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Edited by blkdrg01: 11/23/2017 6:30:14 AMSo let me tell you how a typical match goes for me. We load in I look around and immediately see one person is afk. The other two run off by themselves and I follow one. The guy I didn't follow gets destroyed, the afk gets killed, and the guy I'm following doesn't know how to throw grenades to break up groups. I get a kill or two because my grenade button isn't broken and I retreat after the guy in front of me vaporizes in a wall of bullets because he rushed in. They respawn and some variation of round 1 happens again. We are losing at a 1:3 ratio and I have the bulk of the kills. I adapt my strategy and go to orbit.
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You don't have to be a PvP god to solo carry, just better than the enemy team. You don't have to 1v4 to be considered carrying, just getting enough kills to at the very least keep the team afloat or ideally ahead doesn't have to be by much. If you've ever played any other PvP FPS, such as CSGO, the game quite balanced though it doesn't stop one person who's much better than the enemy from carrying.
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That’s because the ttk is like .1 second. Destiny 2 has an enormous ttk.
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Thats called difference in the game CSGO is way more realistic.ITs based on you pretty much die at a rate closer to RL which is why that happens Destiny has shields, more health, and since way less realistic, its balanced out differently If you want that kind of PvP, stop being stupid and buying destiny.It should be common knowledge that they aren't gonna provide the PvP you want
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You have me confused with someone else sir angry man. I don’t mind destinys pvp. In fact I played it pretty often. I’d like a slightly faster ttk but I’m not worried about it. Calm down.
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Truth. COD has body shot kill snipers and primary weapons that kill in .3 seconds at the slowest. Destiny 1 primaries kill in about .9s
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CSGO has those too. They're just a bit harder to use and obtain, they aren't just given to you for leveling up you have to earn them on a game to game basis.
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Teamshooting is mandatory if you want to delete people I used to play one of the cods. I forget which. But I could delete entire teams with my smg.
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Destiny 2 has almost entirely eliminated personal agency and empowerment. Where'd the space magic go
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You can. You just have to expect it, and once again, simply be better than the enemies in front of you. An d I don't know about console players, but on PC it's pretty damn easy to hear them coming from 30 feet away.
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Well. You can still one vs two people but you have to be good and they have to be bad and push you. If they just run you’re never gonna manage it.
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not at all
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The arrogance of your post was breathtaking. Adapt? Op is dissatisfied with radical changes from d1-d2...and that's his right. All sorts of people feel the same. D2 is low ranked on twitch. Top streamers constantly say the game needs change. Quite simply, the game has a very low skill cieling and is way too casual.
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Edited by bFLY: 11/24/2017 3:19:18 AM[quote]The arrogance of your post was breathtaking. Adapt? Op is dissatisfied with radical changes from d1-d2...and that's his right. All sorts of people feel the same. D2 is low ranked on twitch. Top streamers constantly say the game needs change. Quite simply, the game has a very low skill cieling and is way too casual.[/quote] Not arrogance. I genuinely see nothing wrong with people working as a team. That's literally the whole point of having teams lol. If you want to lone wolf in a team based pvp game, you're going to suffer if the other team decides to be a team. Op is whining about pvp having issues, when there is nothing wrong with pvp as far as using teamwork goes. Working as a team to take down opponents is a legit, smart strategy. To all the people saying "it's no fun" I can understand why; because they are the ones trying to be lone wolves and getting stomped for it by teams simply [u]being teams[/u]. So yea, he needs to adapt. Stop trying to turn pvp into mindless button mashing. Use some strategy, see what the other team is doing and change your tactics. I cant believe people are really whining about teamwork lol. That's essentially what this whole "people teamshoot too much" madness is about. He had some other legit complaints, I ignored those and focused on the "running into 4ppl" part.
