It's funny how people said The Division/No Man's Sky/Anthem would have/will kill Destiny, but Destiny killed itself

[quote]The not so genius team who made the following decisions have practically killed destiny for no logical reason at all: To remove 6v6 PVP modes To remove 3v3 PVP modes To remove PVP mode choice Adding 4v4 PVP modes as the only game mode Increasing the time to kill Change weapon loadout system removing raid boss specific drops Removing random weapon rolls Recycled game assets such as guns enemies and levels And the list goes on..... I am sorry but how can you be so stupid?[/quote] Everything on your list except for raid boss loot was in the beta and you still bought the game. How can you complain when you knew exactly what you were getting?

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-strange-science-of-destiny-2s-uniquely-complicated-netcode/ This link above is the iceberg that hit the Titanic known as D2! Must Read! It's the network coding that's makes pvp unplayable. Spread this like Siva!

The worst part is they spend time making irrelevant stuff and changing things that never needed changing. I think we all agree that D1 crucible was unbalanced, yes? So they change the weapon slot system and removerandom rolls. So there was a legitimate reason here, I don't agree with the changes and think this route was the worst possible. Just seperate PvP and PvE and make both good and fun. Loot system didn't even need changing, so why they implemented this god awful token system is beyond me. Lost Sectors are just pointless and made like 30 of them. Adventures was their answer to grimoire cards, something nobody asked to be taken out..and again they made like 30 of them...and they are nowhere near as good as grimoire cards. They made a whole social space that you visit like 3 times before it becomes totally irrelevant. Hell, look at the raid...people loved D1 raids and Bungies take on that is to build a raid that lacks the things people loved. Yet, they made no end game... Bunngie had a real opportunity here but they decided to ignore their consumers and then flat out lie to them with comments like, "We learned our lesson about lack of content" and "Intrinsic weapon perks are random", "There is more of the stuff you love to do," etc. The game is bad because of Bungie's wilful ignorance.

Stupid is as stupid does. Don't pay for your food before you eat! Make these guys earn their money. NEVER PREORDER a flippin thing!!!!! preorder is the cancer...the gamer is the cure.

Absolutely. They HAVE to bring back "Strike Specific Gear/Weapons". Why would they remove that? Whos going to grind D2 strikes now? Exotics are weak too. Im sick of getting them to easy then they are the same item 10 times in a row... BUNGIE SAVE DESTINY 2 NOW. "Make Destiny Great Again" https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/238508425?sort=0&page=0

What cracked me up was the audience E3 clapping their head off when they announced all 4v4 modes for PvP. It was like, "YEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH, less choices. Woo-hoo.......AWESOME!!!!...Give us less.....give us less....give us less...." Talk about a bunch of mindless robots.

Here's my list of what D2 is lacking, and why it sucks. Cooldowns that are on par with D1. Generating 3 orbs per major. The same infusion system from D1. Exotics that are actually exotic and worth using. Complex skill trees. See Borderlands 2. Heroic strikes/story Weapons worth grinding for. Better weapons. We got worse ones. Powerful grenades. 2 hit to kill melee in PvP. A better PvP experience. It got worse, and boring. Difficult nightfalls. We got a -blam!-ing timer. More collectibles and lore. Raid gear that actually helps with the raid. A fun raid worth running more than once. Sunsinger. Vendors/Factions that actually sell gear all the time. Mobility/Armor/Recovery adjustments in the skill tree where they belong. Int/Dis/Str. Bounties. Bounties gave Vanguard and Crucible faction rep, as did public events, strikes, and patrol missions, etc. The stupid token system is -blam!-ing garbage. Vanguard/Faction packages. Exotics that decrypt above our power level. A loot system that doesn't suck. Armor re-rolling. A mod system that isn't terrible. Weapon perks that don't suck. Rocket launchers with tracking. We got 1, and it sucks. Machine guns. RIP Thunderlord. A D1 weapon loadout. Not an idiotic 2 primary loadout which ruins fun, player choice, and DPS. Primary/Special/Heavy. Snipers worth using in PvE. All the many improvements made to D1 over the last 3 years. PvE and PvP separated. A game that doesn't lack the fun, variety, and player choice of the previous game. More character customization. We got the exact same menu from 2014. Being able to tailor our characters to our play style. Endgame. More space magic. We got less. A story that wasn't predictable. Competent/talented writers. See Borderlands 2. Explorable terrain on Titan. Titan isn't an ocean world in real life. It has lakes surrounded by land. An enjoyable game, with lots of replayability. The lack of all these things is why D2 is a steaming pile of shit, compared to D1.

Destiny 1 was the first time that I had gamed since 1997 my games being "Duke Nukem " & "Doom".I thought it was incredible. After playing Destiny 2 I think it will be time for another 20 year break. Destiny 2 artwork is ridiculously bland it truly looks like the the hiring criteria is how well candidates know the programme not their proficiency as creative beings who will transport us to new worlds. PVP is what i enjoy the most and I am amazed at how boring Bungie have made the experience. The last time I saw this many sword kills was playing "Shadow Warrior " 20 years ago. But he was a Ninja type character so it makes sense. Shotguns are useless. Under powered with limited ammo.Why dont they have a rocket launcher like the Gjala Gajahala (like that one) that comes with more than 2 rounds. The heavy ammo is non existent .When was the last time you got shot by a sniper? All the weapons roles are the same . Like corporate arms dealers Bungies' dream would seem to be a fast food gaming 1 size fits all mono shake,blending everything you could possibly need in a recycled styrofoam cup. How nice it was to fine tune your characters abilities depending on your weapons rolls and armour. How great was it when a melee attack actually did more than mildly upset your opponent. Your light is fading Bungie . "I'm on the edge of my seat". About to leave that is.

Bungie wasn’t stupid. They made 50% more on release of D2 than they made with D1. It was never about creating a quality game. It was all about making the most profit possible given the least amount of released content. They are following the script put in place by many AAA Devs. As a gamer there’s nothing you can do except refuse to purchase addt’l DLC or new games from Dev companies that operate with this business model. Crying on the Forum is meaningless but well within your right to speak your displeasure. If you really want to be heard speak with your wallet. Don’t ever preorder, never buy an expansion/season pass and always wait for independent reviews 2-3 weeks after a game has been released.

The horrible AI is one of the biggest overlooks in my opinion. Imagine: A frustrated captain actually leading his section, sending out flankers with hand signals, or kicking dregs in the rear end when they stay too long behind cover. Or grabbing troops by the collar and literally throwing them into the battle when they shirk. Maybe sometimes they lead by example and charge (with mixed results as far as how many follow) An elite fallen sniper team, with a spotter, that rarely misses and is hard to spot from a distance. Intercepting enemy comms during a firefight, or being able to spot comms visually, perhaps for an air attack or strafing run, or when an ambush is set. ANY type of social behavior at all by ANY enemy. Sharing food or looking over uniforms when not in combat, or taking a second to grieve then rage, or looting ammo, or looking back (literally) to leadership for guidance, or looking at a cool piece of world art or animal-- pointing, resting, roughhousing, in-fighting, gambling, sleeping, hiding, training, talking, wasting ammo, inspecting equipment, or ANY tactical decisions AT ALL. Hive that can blend in with the environment for sneak attacks, or can go dark in order to advance, or can call out in taunt or to set a trap. How about a fake hive commander like a scarecrow that is just used to draw fire? How about hearing or seeing boomers or witches issue commands? Protect me, dive for cover here, climb that flanking wall, mob charge, set a bomb here, run for the rear to regroup, get behind (or in front of) my shield, spread out, get away from me, engage HIM/HER, roar in obvious rage/frustration at a major death, send in the cursed thrall, spread out the cursed thrall, or ANY smart or deceptive use of a cursed thrall. Red legionnaires that are obviously or ostentatiously decorated with combat awards, decorations or gory trophies, taking charge of a section-- hold that line with shields, push that ghost waiting to res out from cover so we can set a trap, heavy weapons set up HERE, or set up a shield/barricade HERE. ANY esprit de corps/ unit pride for ANY cabal. Boasting or pointing at each other before an attack, or small sections that obviously have sneak/bombard/flank/call in air strike/set up heavy weapon/mortar/charge on animal/distract with sound,light,flare/limited visibility/harass from distance functions. Vex connecting together to protect a choke point, or to protect each others milk box, or to teleport en mass behind the player, or to set up a line of explosives. How about vex using holograms to project fake engrams or loot boxes in order to set traps, or to lure the player towards a cliff/yellow bar/tactically unsound position? Lasers that blind/disorient followed by a fast attack or charge? Vex that can mimic other sounds from other races in order to confuse? How bout a big minotaur that needs to download an upgrade before it can fight/upgrade health/enrage itself/use heavy weapon/go invis, or maybe its just glitchy and unpredictable, or looks like a piece of futuristic furniture. Ok, now I'm spinning my wheels, but you see my point.....

bought a sci-fi FPS.... expected a RPG-FPS hybrid with loot farming and diablo style loot Id have been better off with titanfall2, more in depth rpg aspects, more progression and a community i can communicate with.... Has anyone on bungie dev team ever played an online PC game at any point in their life? How could they miss the basics...things that have been done for 10-20 years on PC with this game? Are consoles really that far behind in gaming?

If you could all not pre order Anthem, that would be great

Sometimes I wonder if Bungie is doing it on purpose..maybe they’re trying to bring Destiny down to make Activision cancel their contract so that they could then make a better game without Activision’s influence! [b][i]*spinfoil hat intensifies*[/i][/b]

Wanna make head spin in awe. Go read the once again free dlc added to warframe.. More fixes and content than last 4 years of destiny.. Did I mention for free...

I agree with everything but time to kill. I prefer the longer time to kill honestly

This game sucks period. All of my buddies have stopped playing it even the guys who were in D1 avid trials players. Some of them never even hit 305 before they gave up on this boring, recycled, take twenty steps back piece of crap game. You have us the same enemies we fought and defeated in D1, you recycled a bunch of the exotics, you took away the special perks of guns and armor. There simply is no reason to continue playing. D1 after all the dlc was getting to where it should have been. We had such high hopes that you would continue on in the right direction with D2, but you somehow managed to get rid of all the things that was improving D1 and made D2 worthless to play. You gave us 4v4 Crucibles play yet limit us to 3 player strikes and Nightfalls. Why not just make it 6 man firearms for everything? The Nightfalls you said would be finished quicker with the new timers and such, but that is not true. When you finish a Nightfall the time ends up being longer than it would take us to complete one in D1. My clan used to love getting on every reset day to run strikes and Nightfalls. Now we don't even bother we bought a shooter type game to shoot and kill these hordes of aliens not run through ad fast as possible only to run into a bullet sponge boss and not have any heavy ammo to use. All the fun has been eliminated from this game. Many if my friends have been playing the free games from PS+ and having more fun than this pos provides. I hope, I sincerely do that Bungie gets their head out of their anal cavity and makes some drastic changes. Other wise this game will be dead and I really had hoped to play it as much as I did D1. Hopefully they listen to the hordes of disgruntled fans and make a lot of changes in the dlc to come. If they don't my clan and my friends will be done for sure.

They actually thought this shit would be an esport. Lol

- the PVP is fine - the TTK is fine - the weapon slots are fine (thank god im not getting sniped all the time or bodyshotted and then last worded) - people can't rely on grenades anymore to boost their KD (thank god) in D1 they were a crutch. - I don't miss 6v6, honestly cant remember 6v6 but I also never played any big team battle in any game. - 3v3 was garbage - RNG Rolls killed longevity of the game and left balancing a nightmare. -------- the other things you mentioned I agree on.

Like I said before d1 was a Swiss army knife with potential. D2 is a KFC spork with cold mashed potatoes.