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Edited by Chonto: 11/10/2017 3:36:34 PM
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Destiny 2's In-Game Text Chat -- An Open Letter to Bungie

*** UPDATE: Bungie has confirmed it will be adding clan and tower/zone chats. *** https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/46467 Poll: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5a04790ce4b0da9e9720d517 Subreddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/7bu73u/an_open_letter_to_bungie/ An open letter to Bungie, Per your design, Destiny 2 is a multiplayer game *requiring* social interaction to access end-game content. And yet, contrary to this fact, you have silenced almost all forms of in-game communication in an attempt to create a "safe space" for gamers. As admirable as your motives are, this is denying *all* players the opportunity to express themselves. This is a critical game flaw on two levels. Toxicity is a problem, yes. It's a terrible product of anonymity and human nature. But what's established here is not a solution -- it's isolation. The first way this flaw affects your game is the elimination of any sense of a community. Players cannot coordinate. They cannot ask for help. They cannot find friends. They cannot recruit. Canned emotes and soccer balls are hardly a substitute for this. The entire fractal experience that is human interaction is suppressed and all of the wondrous things players usually do to make a world feel "alive" are simply substituted with silence. If this is the cost of a 'safe space', I don't believe it's worth it. The second way this flaw affects your game is it directly inhibits players fulfilling their later objectives. We *must* coordinate to access end-game content. Fortunately Reddit and Discord exist to fill this void, but these are just a roundabout way of satisfying what the game should have already provided, AND they ultimately suffer from the very same toxicity you were trying to circumvent in the first place. You may now say "Well, players need not go on these websites," but that's simply not true. Again, there *must* be a way to organize. It's the *only* way to reach your game's final content. In closing, here are two simple solutions that are in accordance with Bungie's 'opt-in' philosophy. 1. Give players a choice between the game with/without text chat. Essentially, they may choose from a "silent mode" (i.e. as it currently is) or a "community mode" that enables all local, general/zone, and clan chats. 2. Allow a simple customization in settings to enable/disable various chats. Local, general/zone, clan, whispers, etc. A player could then tailor the chat settings to fit their preference. Please don't let a minority of gamers prevent the rest of us from enjoying your game to its fullest. Thanks for reading.
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  • Edited by Leah: 1/1/2018 7:48:21 PM
    I'm in complete agreement of a chat feature being needed that is both voice and text capable; however there are some aspects about this issue that I feel strongly that the community is consistently overlooking that relate to why I agree so emphatically. At one point in my service, I took shrapnel to my vocal chords, and I've long-term issues using my voice. This is more than just a lack of functionality, and a stand must be taken, and text based chat must be featured for Destiny 2. It's a minor miracle I can still talk at all, but honestly, this girl isn't going to win any karaoke contests. ;) Forget that I'm a vet with a long-term challenge in using my voice though because this affects many gamers. Keep in mind that this is actually a very serious Social Justice issue for a few reasons: 1 - Some people are mute, but they enjoy games. 2 - Some people can't hear, and thusly did not learn to speak, but they enjoy games. BTW, at least that is 50% covered via the subtitles. 3 - Some people have had cancer (non-smokers can get throat cancer) and have had to have their larynx removed. 4 - I could go on forever, this is just off the top of my head. I've covered this topic in fairly grand detail at the following link here on Bungie Forums. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/241328427 This needs to be fixed, and some sort of opt-out of chat option was even suggested by several people here on the Bungie Net Forums that I concur in complete agreement with on the suggestion of an opt-out. As to an opt-out, it could even be made part of a "Parental Controls" setting. I've no problem with the idea of people "opting out" , but having this lack of communication forced on people; especially gamers with challenges (and there are many) is morally deplorable to the nth degree because it is an afront to many people who enjoy social gaming in MMO's. I've also covered this issue on Reddit on the following 2 links to raise awareness; https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/78uxva/chat_in_destiny_2_where_is_it_for_both_console/ & https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/797p8y/devs_response_about_text_chat/ Please bear in mind, and emphasize to others why this is not just a game functionality issue, but that there are even larger considerations to be made as well for the benefit of all gamers. :) Thank you for reading, and Happy New Year. - Leah

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  • Edited by Astral_Cannibal: 10/9/2022 6:27:16 PM
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    • Edited by Young Padawan: 11/11/2017 1:50:47 PM
      Lol what a waste of post. Everyone knows Bungle is working on nerfing blade and TLW...

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    • Vote here please , i got 330 votes to have a "lfg" and "global" chat . [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/236955048?sort=0&page=0[/url]

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      • destiny didnt have in game grimore do you really think theyll have a chat implimented

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        • Edited by salihe: 11/10/2017 6:03:21 AM
          I came here specifically to write a post about the lack of communication options and how INFURIATING it is. I spent the first 10 or so levels being like, "Chest over here!" or "Super is ready" or whatever else and wondering why nobody ever responded. It didn't even occur to me that all means of communication would be completely eliminated. Fine, so I joined a clan just to access half the game only to find out THERE ISN'T EVEN CLAN CHAT. I mean, my god. For a game that places so much emphasis on cooperation, ya'll sure did made achieving that so incredibly annoying. I've never felt so alone and isolated in a game while still surrounded by other people.

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        • [spoiler]Made you look.[/spoiler]

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        • Edited by Coln: 11/10/2017 9:09:32 AM
          Shouted out in front of display. "Hey you!! You killed field boss with me!! Trasure BOX is spawn here!!Come here!! Hey!!" but he cant hear my soul voice. If...If we can use Text chat for nearby player....He can get Emblem. I am many times sad.

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        • Dude, this bungie and we all know this will not happen. Because, they simply don't care about their game.

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        • DESTINY 2 MUST , NEED , IMPORTANT TEXT CHAT for LOCAL/ZONE/NEARBY PLAYER. Why BUNGiE don't add chat? Are BUNGiE hope change the enjoyment to disappointment? Unbelievable....

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        • Bungie: "So you need a chat in a MMO?"

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        • Yea this game SUCKS and Bungie HATES fun👎🏻

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          How are we supposed to find people to do nightfall/raids/trials with if there isn't a chat?

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          • Thank you. D2 absolutely needs this.

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            • Text chat should be available to help people find teams in the tower. It’s another no-brainier feature that was left out. If people don’t like it, don’t use it (turn it off).

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            • does Bungo care?

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            • It's completely absurd that we need to ask for this. I can't believe so much competence (gameplay, visuals, sounds, lore, environments) and so much incompetence (no chat, horrible map and mini map, no separate sound levels, no sort by name in stash, etc) can exist within this game studio.

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              • I agree these are major features of any online game. I dont really buy the protection angle, there has to be more to it.

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              • Edited by naes: 11/9/2017 8:44:39 PM
                I'm not a child, don't treat me like one. Don't try and protect me from the big bad internet bullies by destroying any and all real interactions i can have with people in a game i enjoy. Don't try and enforce this "safe space" stuff on me, i should be allowed to make my own choice if i block someone, close chat, report etc etc etc. The game is about riddling 1000's of bullets, blowing up, bashing to death foreign species in PvE and other "guardians" in PvP yet you feel the need to block people from saying mean words by destroying interaction? Why don't you remove guns and give everyone love ray's to shoot at each other that way it will stop the bullying in PvP of someone shooting me? There is literally 100's of new posts on reddit and your forums weekly, your fan base and the greater community do not want this safe space / no interaction. Please stop ramming it down our throats.

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              • Clap bungie for the most outdated ga me without global chat ,without looking for group chat, without guild chat, without items search in storage etc .

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              • Edited by Zzzonked: 11/10/2017 12:56:19 AM
                +1 No chat in an online multiplayer game is the most mind bogglingly stupid decision I've ever come across in 20 years of gaming. Absolutely absurd. Please listen to your community Bungie. If there's 1 thing you must add to Destiny 2, this is it.

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              • Eh, so Bungie actually decided to not have chat because people cant behave??? SO what if someone is missbehaving... have the option to ignore them, or just grow some balls. I actually just thought the missing chat was some bug or something that was coming in like next update... So utterly stupid i cant even put it to words.

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              • Good luck Guardian. It is my experience that asking bungle to fix a game is like trying to till a field by screaming at it. A lot of wasted breath.

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              • Edited by Bluee: 11/10/2017 1:26:51 AM
                As a part of the PC player group, I found that not putting any text-chat or proximity voice-chat very counter-intuitive and hurts the core philosophy of what Destiny 2 tries to show. I hope by partnering up with Blizzard, that the team resolve this issue. It's 2017. People are social creatures. And besides the point, We have to use so many external websites to enjoy maximum fun in playing Destiny 2 like recruiting. come on...

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              • Hardcore bump

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              • I think its funny how this is one of the most debated topics on the forums now that PC players are involved. Not that it wasn't ever hammered on before, in year 1 they added opt in chat for strikes and crucible. On PS I see maybe 3 ppl a night opt into crucible chat and god knows who they are talking to, because it sure isn't anyone else in crucible public chat. If PC people have been running public chat and public text in their mmo's for years without conflict and toxicity I applaud that. My experience with public chat on consoles is completely different. Must be a larger group of immature, arrogant, vulgar little pricks in the console community. Just put an opt in chat/text chat for -blam!- sake. Even if it's only in the tower or the farm. If I don't have to see it or hear it, I could really give no shits even if I don't want it. Nor should anyone else.

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