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Edited by Asharru: 11/3/2017 4:10:03 PM
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Emperor Calus, the Ahamkara, the Void: Connected?

God dammit, Bungie hit me with another Ahamkara twist in the lore, just like they did in the Books of Sorrow. So I was reading the Cabal Booklet which came packaged with some sort of alternate edition of Destiny 2, all of which is written from the perspective and speech of Emperor Calus of the Cabal Empire, and I came to a shocking paragraph at the booklet's conclusion: "I say this to you, oh champion mine, and I say it from my heart: there are those who would bargain away their souls just to live a little longer. I am not them. Life must be worth living. Life must be lovely and delicious and enviably sweet! Nothing has ever lived that will not die, so what matters is how we use our time." "... oh champion mine..." Oh champion mine. So if you've been living under a gameplay rock and not reading any lore, "oh -noun connected to whoever is being spoken to- mine" is the iconic phrase which Ahamkaras use impulsively in their speech when speaking to foreign organisms. If you don't even know what an Ahamkara is, go hit up the Ishtar Collective and seek answers there. But Emperor Calus said it too, and I KNOW Bungie isn't one to make some coincidence like that in their lore. Does this mean... Emperor Calus is connected to the Ahamkara in some way? Evidence of this being the case may further be supported when you connect Calus relating paracausal things such as life to hunger, consumption, and/or taste ("Life must be lovely and delicious and enviably sweet!") just as the Ahamkara bones used to assemble the Skull of Dire Ahamkara did with the paracausal subject of reality ("Reality is the finest flesh, oh bearer mine. And are you not...hungry?"). It seems to me that the Emperor and the Ahamkara share a common gluttony towards things which cannot be eaten with each other... With this connection between Calus and the Ahamkara, I believe I have also cracked another secret of the Ahamkara. Calus, during his exile on the Leviathan following Ghaul's [i]The Tragedy of Julius Caesar[/i]-styled backstab, came into contact with some deep space entity on his sad, lonesome voyage- the Void, possibly (Cabal seem to be amassed on Mars out of all the planets in the Sol System in order to mine and harvest materials from it, such as Relic Iron, which, according to the lore surrounding Darkdrinker, is highly reactive to Void energy... why the Cabal would want such a material, I can only connect it to Calus and his acquaintance with the Void, Relic Iron being sent to their Emperor in order for him to use it to stimulate his abilities given by the Void in some way)- which enlightened him about the universe and its secrets, as well as its answers, and seemed to have altered his speech to the sort which is spoken by the Ahamkara. This, to me, indicates that the Ahamkara may very well get their abilities from the Void... whether or not that happened through them contacting it during a time when they didn't have their powers (if there ever was such a time) or them originating from the Void itself, I am not sure. Want to share[b] your ideas[/b] of a [b]better Destiny[/b]? Have [b]observations[/b] and [b]theories[/b] of Destiny's [b]lore[/b] which desperately need to get out there for others to know? Feel free to join my group, Golden Destitutes, and mix the fluids of your mind in a creative cauldron... [b]Group Link:[/b] [spoiler]https://www.bungie.net/en/Groups/Chat?groupId=2858340[/spoiler] [b]EDIT:[/b] I was brought to attention that Calus's daughter, who aided Ghaul in the dethronement of Calus, crushed his only chance to get help during the backstab: a bone. An Ahamkara bone, very much possibly? If so, then this shows that Calus came into contact with an Ahamkara at some point, probably asked for his wish of leading an empire and being loved from it, which the Ahamkara did grant, but not without an Ahamkara's price: his eventual dethronement, exile, and ultimate humiliation. [b]EDIT:[/b] I was also brought to attention the large skeletal remains scattered about the Pleasure Gardens within the Leviathan. These could very well be the bones of Ahamkaras, suggesting even further evidence in the possibility of Calus encountering the Ahamkara. But that raises the question: why would their remains be in the Pleasure Gardens? Did Calus kill the Ahamkaras/Ahamkara he encountered? If so, why? Did he find these remains? If so, where?
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  • I would like to say hell yea, but lord knows something as cool as this isn't gunna be in the story. Sad, would be really cool to see some connection...

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  • Great post.

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    • Who cares -blam!- this game

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    • Even in the dogs encounter there are Dragon bones i think callus may be our strongest foe yet tbh he found something at the edge of the universe once he was exiled i can't wait to see his story fleshed out

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      • Absolutely. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/237269320/0/0 I think this whole concept of "The Deep" stems from Babylonian mythology. Basically, Tiamat "The Deep" got her ass kicked by a lightning-wielding, four eyed god named Marduk and banished into the cosmos, whereupon he set "guards" to ensure that she doesn't escape her prison. My guess is that Calus found "The Deep" somewhere out in deep space. Incidentally, Tiamat's children include quite a few dragons or worms... One of which she bestowed the [b]Tablet of Destiny[/b]. Coincidence there?

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        • I got the sneaky suspicion the other day after finishing the raid and seeing all the..[spoiler]suspended robo-caluses[/spoiler] after killing the boss, that.. [spoiler]Calus is actually long gone, and someone else is impersonating him. His whole 'recruitment' aproach just doesnt fit the Cabal lore very well.[/spoiler]

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          • Edited by Combat Mind: 10/31/2017 5:43:12 PM
            Could be that at the end of the raid, the “bigger truth” that Calus talks about is what he got from the Ahamkara. He also said something about what the Traveler has been telling you is a lie. Perhaps he got that from the Ahamkara too? MAYBE that’s why the Vanguard had the Ahamkara wiped out. EDIT: Also, and this is just pure speculation, but above Lord Shaxx is an Ahamkara skull, or at least is supposedly one. This is a long shot, but if the Ahamkara spoke through the bone for Calus, and through exotics for us, does that mean that Shaxx has wisdom from the Ahamkara as well?

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            • Great post, that’s exactly what I think of the info in the booklet, except the thing Calus encountered in his banishment was the Darkness. It couldn’t be the void because the void is, by Destiny definition, an energy that is found, well, in space (it’s antimatter energy). It’s not alive or anything and is used by both the Darkness, the Light, and possibly the Worms and Ahamkara as energy for their abilities. We know Calus encountered the Darkness because it’s presence broke the Leviathan’s navigation since it didn’t exist (the Darkness defies our physics, meaning our computers think it doesn’t exist), because Calus saw it as a greater power, and because Calus constantly speaks of how it will inevitably end the universe

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            • Bump

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            • LMAO at pretending this game has lore

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                No boi! Voidlight can only be weld by guardians[spoiler]this is a joke, except for the guardians part...it says so in the Savanthun strike. One fracture in my argument is the last mission, but that was a letdown[/spoiler]

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                • If it bleeds, we can kill it.

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                  • The worm gods talk that way too

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                    • Edited by TechnoKat: 11/1/2017 12:09:43 AM
                      Next time on youtube: More interesting lore that we found, but Bunige cant be -blam!-ing bothered with so we have to be the ones to present this cool as -blam!- shit to you guys, part 99.

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                    • Awesome post, thank you

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                    • Nope. Can't read this. Haven't read the booklet yet. Honestly I was waiting until my disapontment with the game subsided. And it has. So I'll come back in a bit once I've read it. Lol

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                    • Ahamkara are called [i]void[/i] dragons

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                    • Edited by WhiskeyHotel: 10/31/2017 9:50:29 AM
                      The player base, including you, is always much more intelligent than Bungie themselves. Lore makes absolutely no appearance in the game itself. So whatever you might think, cherish it... hold on to it... in your mind only, because it won't play into the story... ever.

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                      • I already knew this, but you'll be very interested to hear that Calus has also made references to the darkness itself, the Deep, and The Worm Gods!!

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                      • All are shallow and poorly presented in D2.

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                      • His daughter crushed his only chance to get help, a bone. My guess is that Calus came into contact with an Ahamkara at some point, asked to have an Empire where people loved him, and the twist was that his family and closest friends wouldn't... and would eventually tear it apart.

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                        • Edited by John DOH: 10/31/2017 2:48:42 PM
                          I didn't have the super deluxe version with that booklet so thanks for sharing. When you destroy Calus's golem in the raid, he refers to "power in this universe beyond your feeble Light." Might he be referring to the Ahamkara? It'd be weird if he was, since we did a pretty good job of hunting down and eradicating the Ahamkara... but this is berry berry interesting. Great post

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                          • Awesome theory

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                            • I do hope the Ahamkara are not as dead as the Vanguard thinks... Examples like this lead me to believe a lot of interesting avenues would be opened up by some surviving. And I mean specifically in our system, as if my understanding of the lore is correct, they do inhabit (or did) other systems.

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