Goes on a rant and implies people don't know how to do it legit. Kids...

The “Worlds First” group to complete the Leviathan raid used a glitch / cheese to finish it. Bungie approved. Just sayin’

Who are you to judge how people play a PvE activity? Get good? Mind your -blam!-ing business

People play the raid?

You guys know cheesing has been around since D1 year 1 right? It will eventually get patched.

The rewards aren't worth the effort of doing it legit dude. Wake up. That's why people do it. If you don't like it then create your own fireteam and specifically say you don't want to cheese.

Whenever someone wants to cheese it say this. SOMEONE 2-Manned this with no cheese!!! We can get it if you just focus and shut up!!

Scrubs will be scrubs. A lot of these players just want the rewards so they can show off and act like they earned it. Kids don't like to work for things, they just want shit handed to them... I joined a group who decided to cheese Calus and these -blam!-ers were dying in the throne room with no-adds! I can understand why they would want to cheese it, because they probably don't have a shot at beating it legit. Truly sad.

I won't lie, I do get a small chuckle every time I see or hear someone talk about themselves like they are a pro while using cheeses, the same way I get a laugh out of people who claim to be "pro" in in a pvp game like Destiny 1 where aim assist is so heavy before applying the additional aim assist from weapon perks. Games have had a long history of making you feel like you're a better player than you really are, with things like aim assist or coyote time, because it makes the games attractive to a much wider range of players than games who tend to punish you for being bad at them. I personally don't consider Destiny 1 or 2 to be skill based games, especially D2. In the Dark Souls series I had a hobby I liked to call troll trolling. In DS1 I beat the game, three times, on my level 1 character, and had all the best weapons and gear usable by my character (which was not a very wide variety I'll admit) fully upgraded. I upgraded a full set of starter gear to max and I'd sit in Upper Burg waiting for trolls to invade me. These trolls would see me, and based on the fact that I was still in Upper Burg and the fact that I was wearing starting gear, they would assume that I was a new player and they'd come at me with all their fancy (often times hacked) weapons with the expectation of an easy win. I kid you not when I say this, you could tell by the way their characters reacted that they were panicking when I dodged/parried their entire initial combo. Most of these players were ridiculously easy to kill because they'd grown so accustomed to instantly one shotting their opponents that they'd forgotten how to even use their weapons (assuming they ever knew) in a prolonged fight or how to deal with an opponent who knew how to fight back. Point of the story is, the only people hurt by these cheese groups (not just Destiny, but any game) is the people in those cheese groups. They're relying on the ability to skip mechanics and by doing so, they are allowing themselves to grow complacent rather than honing their skills. Once Bungie nerfs the cheese, and I'm sure they will once they're done cleaning up the whole pc banning mess, these same players are going to have to learn the mechanics and it's going to be hilarious to watch. I'm not going to tell others how to play their games. If they want to use cheeses or cheap tricks to win then that's fine with me because they aren't hurting me by doing so, that is, so long as they are pve oriented. Keep the cheating out of the pvp.

Be angry at Bungie for not running a more thorough quality assurance process before releasing their game. The raid was too mechanic heavy and boring af. Plus there is no incentive to run the raid.

Moooooom! Other people aren't playing the way I want them to! ^^thats what you sound like