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Edited by Never:
10/25/2017 3:26:09 AM
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Looks like you can't use DestinyTracker to push false narratives anymore.
[quote]Daily Destiny Population REMOVED
submitted 5 hours ago by Bistoory
We've removed this chart because people are using it to spread a false narrative of the Destiny 2 player population. Daily Unique users is a misleading statistics to use as basis for the active population of the game, any game in that matter. Not everyone plays video games 24/7, besides maybe at launch. We hoped our article would've cleared this up a bit but it seems it hasn't. To halt people from making false narratives based on the numbers we provide we decided to stop showing them in this chart.
http://destinytracker.com/destiny/reports/daily-population[/quote]
How salty are you guys right now?
Edit: You guys are extra salty.
Edit 3: To make things even more clear. The stats were not incorrect. The stats tracked Daily Unique players, not active player base. Those are two completely different things. [b]Daily Unique Players does not equal Active Playerbase as so many tried to push.[/b]
[b]Edit 2: Let me try to help everyone understand why Daily Unique users is not a viable way to track Active population.[/b]
I will start by bringing you back to this quote.
[quote]Not everyone plays video games 24/7, besides maybe at launch. We hoped our article would've cleared this up a bit but it seems it hasn't.[/quote]
So following that, here's a hypothetical example with 2 games with two different player populations to prove my point.
Let's say Game A launches with 4 million players and Game B launches with 1 million players.
Game A has 500k players who can play the game literally every single day and 3.5 million Casuals who can only play once a week.
Game B has all hardcore dedicated fans and all 1 million of them can play every single day.
Game A, for every day you add 500k hardcore plus another 500k Casuals because 3.5mil/7 is 500k. So daily unique users is going to sit at 1million for Game A
Game B simply has 1 million daily unique users because they all play everyday.
Wait a minute what's going on here? Both Game A and Game B have 1 million unique users, but this stat doesn't tell you that Game A has casual players and still has 4million different people playing the game every week. If the stat we were looking at was unique players [b]per week[/b], Game A would show 4 million and Game B would show 1 million.
I can make it even simpler. If 7 million different people played a game once a week. The Daily unique averages out to 1 million while the weekly unique is 7 million. Daily Unique does not work.
What a number of people have been doing here is saying Game A has 1 million unique players everyday, "They've lost 75% of their playerbase." Which isn't true based on this example. You can apply this to Destiny 2 and users on this very forum because that's what people have been doing, using this stat to try and determine active player base when the stat does not determine active player base.
If it was daily unique users per week, or per month, I might be inclined to listen to your argument, but as it is now, the stat doesn't work. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but anyone who is using Daily Unique users to try and determine the number of active players the game has retained doesn't fully grasp what that graph showed.
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1 ReplyEdited by TexasTwurkTeam: 7/28/2024 2:30:08 AM
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7 RepliesEdited by TheShadow-cali: 10/25/2017 1:25:15 AM[b]Daily Destiny Population REMOVED submitted 5 hours ago by Bistoory[/b] [quote]We've removed this chart because people are using it to spread a false narrative of the Destiny 2 player population.[/quote] Translation: Stop making up look foolish, it's hurting our sales even though We are the ones that provided the info. [quote]Daily Unique users is a misleading statistics to use as basis for the active population of the game, any game in that matter.[/quote] Translation: The system has always been broken and has never had an update. So you can't expect it to give accurate statistics "so even our info could be just a tad bit off" [quote] Not everyone plays video games 24/7, besides maybe at launch.[/quote] Translation: We wish you would play the game 24-7 like you did in D1 vanilla. [quote] We hoped our article would've cleared this up a bit but it seems it hasn't.[/quote] Translation: We tried lying again and [b](Blame You)[/b] but it didn't work this time around. [quote]To halt people from making false narratives based on the numbers we provide we decided to stop showing them in this chart.[/quote] Translation: We removed it because we got called out and will not admit it to you.
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45 RepliesWe don't need a graph to show the player base dying. Just look at your roster. This is obviously a cover up to keep bungie from looking bad. Either way you look at, the player base is on a huge downfall, unique players or not. How much is bungie paying you to talk this nonsense? And I mean literally nonsense, you think we're that dumb?
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Ah a fanboy that doesn't wanna accept that the game is dying. Pretty sure you're the salty one here lol.
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1 ReplyDoes it even matter? Most of us can simply look at our own roster and see that hardly anyone is playing the game anymore. We don't need DestinyTracker's stupid chart to see the writing on the wall right in front of us ;)
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I will admit I did see the 75% number and use it here but I had no idea there were different ways to view the figure. I will add that a lot of my friends list is populated with D1 players from back in the day, but my destiny ingame roster may have half a dozen names on it at any one time. I’m also an admin in a full level 6 clan, the other day we purged more than half of players due to inactivity. I will say I expected the end game of D1 with D2 as an expansion and the few friends that play destiny expected the same. I thought this franchise was going to be a little darker, deeper MMO/RPG/FPS but destiny 2 hasn’t brought this to the fan base of D1, they decided to completely reboot it focusing on the casual player. Overall this game has become a big disappointment to a lot of people who thought this franchise was going to be so much more. I honestly think bungie have screwed this up.
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Here is the problem with all this. It's true we don't know how many people actually play the game. From how many are logging in everyday to those logging on a monthly. So let's use my pool of those on my friends list that I added from destiny that were playing at launch. 100-ish people so for our sake will use 100. In two weeks that number dropped to 5 people. Out of those five people 3 played at least 4 of the 7 days they other 2 would log in on weekends to play maybe an hour or less. There were some people that sprung up for some time here and there. Give it I know am not always online to record every single person. At this point and time I've stopped playing destiny as like many, I don't have a reason to as they same reason many do. Them taking down that graph is weird and understandable. It's to prevent more people from leaving the game. Cod has done this forever ago. What annoys me is that you are saying in essence that the unique logs don't represent the state the games population well. It's true not everyone plays 24/7, but these are log ins. It doesn't tell you how many hours they played or if they logged in then shut off the game. Secondly that number is more important then what you think. Because let's say you have the daily player, weekend player, once a week player and ect. That player is only effecting the day he plays and it's not like you can play group activities alone or with splitscreen. Unless you are like The legend himself. So saying we have 1million people that could be playing the activity we want to play is better then 500k we could play with. Again COULD BE, let's say you want to play pvp compitive. In a perfect world it would be 1/4 of who is online the time and day you are online. 1/4 because again in a perfect world it would be 50% would play pvp and since we have two playlist to play it would be 50% of the pvp 50% of the whole population on destiny that day. The smaller that daily number gets the less people you have to play with. If you can only play on weekends and you have 1k unique players playing the game at that time. That is your pool you play with. Not the guy who plays every 20th of month. Unless that day is on one of the weekends. Instead of telling people to get an education because you didn't understand the data nor what you read. You should probably sue who ever educated you. Since you ignored the value of the data offered and took everything at face value from destinytracker.
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4 RepliesDaily clan and friends list tracker is WAY down...
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26 RepliesEdited by Suite-D: 10/24/2017 8:34:47 PMFalse narrative aside it's hard to ignore the fact that I have dozens upon dozens of PSN friends who wont even log in to do weekly milestones anymore, or the fact that my clan has roughly 75 people in it who don't play anymore except for 2 other people one of which is laid up with a broken pelvis. I'm not saying I don't like the game anymore because overall I do like D2 but it's hard to not notice the decline in the player base on a personal level
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5 RepliesAnother misleading fact about the "Daily Unique users" statistic is that it is based on IP address to the Bungie servers. Of which, this website, the game app and the game are all on. Logging on to anyone of these sites will list you as a "Daily Unique users". Log on to all three and you are counted three times. Its not your account thats counted, its the IP addresses of the various apps and connections.
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2 RepliesDon't need a graph to know this game SUCKS and Bungie HATES fun👎🏻
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12 RepliesNot at all. I just ran around soloing public events on Io because no one else was on the planet - on reset day. I don’t need the tracker to tell me what I can see for myself. Public events are dying, just like the Forge and Court of Oryx. I can also see there is less and less participation in raids. How? I can check the volume of LFG requests. Waaay down. Now Destinytracker creator can say what he/she wants, but funny thing... they never had an issue with how it was used before. Odd they pick NOW to put the boot down, dontcha think? Clan participation IS down. Numbers ARE down. Anyone can see this if they choose to.
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1 ReplyMy IQ....
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4 RepliesKind of like how D1 players used it to push the narrative that the game was still going strong? Can't have it both ways.
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6 RepliesEdited by MechanicalMercy: 10/24/2017 11:30:21 PMIt's not false when there's 5 million plus guardians and only two million logged into D2 two days ago.
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1 ReplyLOL! False Narratives? Fake News didn't want any of that? How's about you explain how the numbers are actually increasing then? Don't bother. No one listening. Last one left, turn out the lights.
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3 Repliesthe destiny tracker website has removed the live status of player that logged in daily because "it provides a false narrative of the daily player basis" with that being done it now shows that the money received from internet traffic to the website is falling and to potential raise a more positive light on a dying game the simple fact of the matter is that if what they said is true and they're not trying to save their collective asses that means their technology for tracking data that is basically given to them doesn't work hurting their credibility. or the more likely case that to prevent more negative light being shown upon the game they removed accurate data in a form of censorship the loll the remaining destiny community into a deeper echo chamber of non belief. this is actually my last straw if they are going to keep us in the dark even more than they are now im dont with this game there is no point in continuing playing a franchise with so much potential being wasted by the company i used to love the only possible way that i would ever come back at this point is if everything from destiny year 3 is brought back in some way and we are given more to do without DLC, im tired of being lied to and im tired of come back to a game that is just going to abusive me and its player bases like a girl coming back to its abusive boyfriend saying he would change cause lets be honest guardians the light is fading and we've been played again
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The joy of the new Xbox dash... It tells me how many friends are playing D2 at any given time -- it went from over 100 to less than 10. I don't need some external 3rd party site to tell me the game is dying. I see it with my own eyes. I don't even want to log on. It is sad people will only come back for the DLC.
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6 Replies?thinking its a false narrative yea yea load of bullshit. it was "accurate" when we had goo numbers in d1 and d2 but now its false narrative? too many idiots in these forums
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3 RepliesAnd the system was the way that it was for how long? It's only become a problem now?
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19 RepliesSo why remove it? Even if what you describe is accurate why would they care enough to remove it? If player counts were strong they would not waste time removing this to begin with. It was removed because the narrative is accurate otherwise they would not feel the need to remove it.
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3 RepliesPfft. You go awful far out of your way to prove nothing. Facts are facts. People are leaving the game. My clan has 100 people and very few are even still active. I myself only log in a couple of days a week anymore,and I have plenty of free time and played D1 daily for hours. Taking away a chart is, in fact, hiding information. Trying to spin it as a good thing is akin to promoting a book burning.
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2 RepliesThree edit? And we are salty? Ha.
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1 ReplyWhile it might not have been the most accurate it certainly reflects in my friend and clan lists.
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1 ReplyHahahah, Hahahah, Hahahah... Lmfao.. So glad this is happening, with Pc users getting banned for no reason.. Them removing the Daily Population tracker, 99% Negative Feedback on the forums, The LFG is pretty much dead.. The Raid post are minimal. Clans, Rosters, Overall in game population is at an all time low.. I say Good! -blam!-'m. They deserve everything for creating a piece of fck'n shit. Riiiipppppp..
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1 ReplySo instead of thoroughly correcting the "false narrative" with their own information on the population and setting the record straight, which would undoubtedly be a welcome and insightful gesture... Bungie just removes the chart. Yeah, that screams "red flag" to me. You don't obscure information like that unless you're trying to cover something up.
