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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • Edited by RavenousLD3341: 10/19/2017 8:39:52 PM
    [quote][1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter[/quote] I does matter. Drop to 100 and do a nightfall. [quote][2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability[/quote] This was an RNG treadmill that didn't respect players... so it's a net positive change. [quote][3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2][/quote] This is subjective. I bet all of us like a different set of guns. [quote][4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game[/quote] Oh... kinda a minor complaint, does this really make the game bad though? [quote][5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse[/quote] Ok... I'l agree here, they should show up in Cayde stashes as well. [quote][6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse[/quote] And every single other vendor in the game. They all can drop shaders, don't forget regional chests. [quote][7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse[/quote] These should be in Cayde chests as well. [quote][8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days[/quote] Infusion makes this not true. You can always get something you don't own, there's still guns I'm waiting for. [quote][9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options[/quote] Would be nice. [quote][10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options[/quote] This is fine with me [quote][11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court[/quote] There are Easter Eggs. The Hardlight lore is actually a mock up of Steve Jobs iPhone announcement. [quote][12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique[/quote] They do. 1 example is Fighting Lion in the energy slot. Sweet Business having a massive magazine. [quote][13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame[/quote] This was a thing in Destiny 1... so....? [quote][14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc)[/quote] Each world has it's own armor and weapons and shaders... go collect those. [quote][15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.)[/quote] Sure it does. It's super stingy with Raid specific gear. You won't get it all in 1 run. [quote][16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan[/quote] This is subjective. [quote][19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity[/quote] Didn't I just say it drops gear specific to the event? [quote][20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid[/quote] I think it's actually called a Raid in the director. Isn't it? [quote][21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist[/quote] You can go talk to them right now. They are there, they just don't always give you gear. [quote][22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on[/quote] Buy a bunch of shit from Xur and dismantle it, then use those things to get stuff from the gunsmith, to inturn make legendary mods. [quote][23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur[/quote] I like him when he brings something I down already own, but he hasn't been relevant for end game players since TTK. [quote][24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge[/quote] You probably come here and complained that it wasn't a raid back in the day didn't ya? Also... who knows what's in the pipe it's only been a few weeks. [quote][26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game[/quote] My how short your memory is. It was seasonal in Destiny 1. So we actually don't know if it's in Destiny 2. [quote][27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model[/quote] That was actually a perk on sparrows in D1. It was widely available with the arrival of the first SRL in D1. So... wait? [quote][28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class[/quote] It really doesn't. I'm sure we all have one we prefer, but I play them all. [quote][29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless[/quote] Their use is to turn in for rep. [quote][30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds)[/quote] We all just used motes of light on them anyway, so they removed a step. I don't see an issue here. Did you seriously want a pile of useless guns that you have to fire literally thousands of times to get them upgraded enough to accurately evaluate their usefullness. This was a positive change. [quote][31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year[/quote] It uses the exact same MM as before. It just throws fodder at high skill players. So ask for SBMM in trials like I do. [quote][32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless[/quote] They aren't. They can all drop an exotic engram. [quote][33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away[/quote] Subjective again. [quote][34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better[/quote] If you aren't having fun you shouldn't, don't you own anything else? [quote][35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.[/quote] It's OK to be done. It doesn't make Destiny 2 bad. What I basically see is complaining that this game didn't include 1400 hours of content on day 1.

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