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10/18/2017 3:45:12 PM
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Wholeheartedly disagree. But to each their own. I don’t care about my rewards, I enjoy helping others more. But when those people I’m helping don’t even get satisfaction when we complete an activity it sucks. What is the point to help others when the casual player can’t even rank up from them? You have your opinions on what the community may become if the hardcore players leave but I don’t want to see it happen. You must’ve had a bad experience with a Sherpa because 90% of them that I’ve met were awesome people trying to help others, so the toxicity that you speak of leaving with the hardcore players doesn’t make sense to me. IN MY OPINION if the hardcore players leave there will not be any LEADERS and you’ll end up getting more upset while playing because you can’t find a group to complete that end game activity that those hardcore players helped with for so long.
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I think you need to look more closely at what you're saying. Why are the players deciding "its not worth it". Are they not having fun doing the raid. (internal reward)....or do they feel that the loot isn't worth the time invested (external reward)? I suspect its the latter, considering the nature of most complaints I hear about the raid. Which usually revolves around the weapons and armor not being "special enough", not having "raid specific perks", or not offering a power increase (prestiege mode). Even you talk about deriving satisfaction in being a Sherpa from the satisfaction of the people you help. That is still a form of external reward. Its an ADMIRABLE one. (I work in a helping profession, so any one who chooses to help others gets my respect). But its still an external reward. What you need to realize is that the sort of "hardcore" player that you're talking about----the true sherpas----are a minority of a minority. For every one of you guys who are using their experience and expertise to benefit others.....there are probably 15-20 other people who are using theirs to BELITTLE others. Whehter its booting people off or raid teams for "not being experienced enough" or shit-stomping people and tea-bagging/taunting them in Trials. I won't get into the outright cheaters...or the content creators who make they're living finding game-breaking glitches and spreading them through out the game. The fact is that matter is that most hardcore players are about STATUS...not service to the community. Hats off to you, for being wiling to be of service....but you are NOT the majority of this minority. Not even close.
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All I'm saying is Destiny is a looter shooter, but the loot itself is meh at best and not worth the effort in obtaining and the activities aren't really fun after you complete them the first time, so after you have done everything once there's no real reason to play it again. Apparently 50% or so of the community has stopped playing this game according to DestinyTracker so assuming that's correct there's a problem that needs addressing.
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That's a personal preference argument. One I disagree with, and doesn't speak for my experience with the game. You sound like a "high need for novelty" gamer. One who is going to get bored and restless with any game that he's asked to replay content. ...which means you are going to be frustrated with ANY loot-based game. Bexcaues they ALL demand you grind and replay content.
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Edited by Navi: 10/18/2017 10:08:38 PMI'm okay with grinding and replaying content if it either A. has something worth the grind (which after you get that you're done which is the current problem I have) or B. is fun (which I don't find any of the activities in D2 fun after beating for the first time which yeah, is entirely opinion based, but also a pretty widely shared opinion). If the game itself was actually fun and didn't feel like a boring chore that provides nothing worth the effort than I would be perfectly fine with the game, and as DestinyTracker states, again assuming it's even correct, 50% of the community feels that way too. We shouldn't be seeing half the playerbase dipping a month in after release if the game itself was fun. This is also mostly why I don't see a reason to complete the prestige raid or nightfall, what's the point in going through all that headache if it doesn't provide anything worthwhile? Different looking gear that provide no bonuses to my endless fight? Same guns that are lackluster for the challenge? No overall increase to progression? I didn't buy Destiny entirely to play dress up. Destiny 1 didn't have a story, or huge patrol zones, or adventures but what it did have was FUN content that was also rewarding.
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Edited by TheArtist: 10/18/2017 10:31:01 PMI put 3000 hours into Destiny 1. Loved the game, but I'm not going to gloss over its short comings. D1 was the wrong game at the wrong time made in the wrong way for the wrong audience. What saved that game was Bungie's nimbleness, committment to improving the game, and the sheer FUN of the shooting and movement mechanics. I remember in vanilla Destiny having NOTHING to do in the game..but still not wanting to leave. Going to Venus and just shooting aliens in the face for hours, just because it was so fun and so immersive. That CORE reward loop is still in the game. Which is why the players who RESPONDED to inner reward part of D1 are still enjoying the game, and why millions of players still show up to play D2 every day. The people having problems and are frustrated are the people like yourself. Who took satisfaction from SOMETHING else. Be it the loot...the status that came for rare items...or some other external reward. You are frustrated with the game, because you basically have no INTEREST in any of the "horizontal progression" aspects of the game. Which are ESSENTIAL to the end game of any loot-based game. Since no game like this can provide endless, real, VERTICAL ('bonuses to my endless fight") progression. Not only is the final end game in Destiny "dress up". The final game in EVERY MMO or loot-based RPG is ultimately cosmetic "dress up". Because you finally hit your head against the CEILING of vertical (power) progression. So the issue isn't that Destiny isn't a bad game....its that you're playing the wrong KIND of game....and the grindiness of D1 probably kept you distracted from it. But grind isn't content...and the kind of grindiness and effort-independent RNG that D1 had is off-putting to most gamers. However, if that's what you want. World of Warcraft or Warframe will be your jam.
