There are points where it becomes glaringly obvious that a group will not beat an encounter, or they may beat that encounter after an hour but there's no way they will beat calus. Odds are they decided to give you a few more chances, just didn't say anything. You failed those attempts, so he left. People playing this game have a tendency to take things personally and like to shit talk someone for leaving a shit group rather than just kicking the shit person to help the rest get through. Not to mention the last sentence in your post about being anti crappy player shaming. If you screw up and don't own it, you deserve to get called out. Something about repeating behaviors and insanity....

Dont ask for experience in a post then when i join be the most inexperience group. I leave in a heartbeat when thats the ase

Yeah but if you're with a group that doesn't listen at all it's pointless. They're not going to take your feedback anyways and I'm not sticking around to wipe for another 6 hours. My friend (he was in the void room) kept going back and forth each time between saying the symbol he saw and saying the symbol for the psion I should kill without specifying so then I'd get blamed for killing the wrong one. Then this other dude was king of the mumblers and said "chalice" which sounded like "axes" and I told him to either enunciate or say "cup". Straight up ignored me. Of course I get all the blame here. Told both of them to stop being needlessly confusing, but I got tired of it and left. Before that I was getting blamed for gauntlet wipes as the runner, which is nearly impossible if you have more than two brain cells. Johnny Dipshit wasn't killing his psion or somebody wouldn't shoot the right arrow. Rant over.

The real issues with helping randoms beat the raid. 1) they claim to know what they're doing but in truth, THEY DONT. I.e. I put together a team. We get to the pleasure gardens. Tell everyone to go to their dogs. One guy running around not saying a word. 2 minutes later still not at dog. We show him. His excuse is he's not familiar with how to get to r2, that he's used to l1 and r1. Finally make another person switch so he can have l1. Time to kill dogs, he's att king trees. 2) they ask for help from people whom have beaten it but don't listen to that person. I.e. Joined a group of noobs. 4 have played most of the raid, none have beaten it. At the bath house. Tell them about left and right side constantly rotating, says NO it's better to have one person be the dedicated replacer. Five fails later, "hey evil, what was that rotation thing you were talking about?" Waste of my time. 3) you get randoms what m claim to have beaten the raid but then you find out that they ALMOST beat the raid. 4) joined a group of randoms, one whom was a squeaker,4 people have never beaten Calus, the 5th (squeaker) supposedly has. 3rd dps faze on Calus, squeaker yells yay we beat it we beat it, why are you guys still firing? I'm screaming keep shooting we have to drop his final shield. Who do they listen to? You guessed it. The squeaker...epic fail. My point being if you ask someone for help and your group doesn't have their shit together, you can't blame that person for leaving. It don't matter if they say hey I'm done or just leave.

I found the easiest way to back out of really bad raid teams is to restart the system. That way there isn’t that awkward moment when you leave the chat and pull out your ghost to go back to orbit. Just delete anyone you added to friends list for the raid, restart the system, log back on and you’re good to go.

If I'm in a group I'm not happy with for some reason or another, I'm going to leave in whatever fashion I want. They're strangers who I'm never going to talk to again. I don't owe them anything. Not to say I'm advocating being rude, but if you want to simply leave, just leave. It's not heresy to just dip out of a group of people who don't care about you.

I have done this but that guy was being a prick so I went private left the party and game reinvited everyone else and picked up another and finished the raid. I warned I would because I don't play with people that have shit attitudes it got better then worse so I bailed don't feel bad about it in the least.

It depends on the tags. I don't mind helping but if I want to get it done and join a group with tags like: # Experienced Only # Must know what doing # Must have beaten So on so forth.... I expect to not spend hours in the raid.

You are literally ridiculing in a very general way. Your use sociopath tells me you try to sound smarter than you are. Otherwise you wouldn’t even attempt to use the word. Do you know how rare a sociopath really is? Most are serial killers. I.e. Jeffery Daumer and he ate people’s genitals with tartar sauce. I can see why people would leave you and a group you are in after a couple of frustrating hours and you start ridiculing like that. I would dip on you too in a hot second. Before you hop on the forums to try to correct others. Stop and look at your part first. Captain fantastic. And hold the tartar sauce!

You realize a lot of lfg are assholes right? Even if you say something they're gonna make a big deal out of it generally. There's good groups that are understanding but my experience with lfg is mixed. Which is why I like raiding with my clan when I can. Much easier playing with people you're familiar with. But I still do a raid per week and a couple nightfalls with lfg due to my schedule.

The team "looking for players" and the player "looking for a team" should know who they are getting in bed with. If you have a bunch of inexperienced raiders, say that so a person joining can make an informed decision. And if you join a raid without knowing what your joining, well, that's on you. The problem with LFG raiding is no one wants to be honest and up front....they just wait for its ugly face to rear encounter, after encounter after encounter. And since raiding is all about communication and some skill, frustration takes over.

There’s only so long that you can tolerate people who can’t shoot 4 psions and say dog. [spoiler]who at Bungie thought that would be fun anyway???[/spoiler]

I always play an "Execute Order 66" voiceline into my mic before I exit

Ehhh, raiding is a horrible experience. Do you really need me to say "I can't stand listening to you children bitch and whine any longer" before I bail?

This is a much worse problem now than it was in D1. Mostly because the leviathan raid is NOT new player friendly. They make it so it usually requires 3-10 wipes per encounter before new players even understand the encounters.

Prime example of why I would leave a group or kick people from my group that happened just last night. Posted on xb1 lfg that I was trying to do a speed run. Posted with many different tags saying KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING and adults only. Also that communication is a must. So we get inside the Castellum and because they were not comfortable getting the staffs I was the only one doing so. Not a problem, the expenditure of ammo is how I did that solo. Get to Bathers, one guy is insistent that dedicated runners are best and that is how his buddies have done it. Two wipes later he finally listens and beat it in one run. Gauntlet, we're holding our own plates hitting our own psions, except one person. Five wipes. Finally get to the group run of gauntlet and I swear to you, one guy stays in middle not knowing that he has to grab an orb. Another wipe. Beat gauntlet and on to the pleasure gardens. Everyone wants left 1 and trees dogs. No one wants to lead or run prisms. At that point if it wasn't my group I would have backed out. Because it was my group I kicked anyone I had to carry at some point. Not because I had to carry them and not because I clearly posted that I will not be carrying anyone because I wanted a speed run. Nope I kicked them because I told them if they didn't step up and do prism or lead that I was going to kick people. Kicked them from the game before party just so I could hear them cry. I get it, you want to raid but have no one to teach you. Well read a guide. Watch a video and don't try and get into a group that clearly posted they wanted people with experience and now how. Also don't post that you're looking for high level raiders with experience, when you're either a low level or have no experience or both. Also if it says adults only and or no squeakers don't try and join that group if you are under the age of 18. Here's why: Way back when, back when online gaming was created, most of us on Xbox especially have been suspended because kids being present and hearing things that their parents wouldn't appreciate. And the worst thing about this was that you kids (squeakers) would be the ones to pop off and talk trash to grown men and women then get your feelings hurt. That is the reason all my lfg post say #adultsonly and #nosqueakers.