Could you imagine if this were a Halo title? These types of people would be blowing up the forums saying things like "My plasma rifle loses to snipers every time! Sniper n00bs OP please nerf" Arguing against things like MIDA, Uriel's, any other 450RPM AR, Last Hope, etc., calling people noobs, or saying the guns take no skill to use, is just you feigning ignorance. Why wouldn't you utilize the currently best weapons in the meta and put yourself at a disadvantage by not using them? If said 'noob' is using [insert whatever gun you want to complain about here], and you're also using [insert whatever gun you want to complain about here], then alleged noob has no advantage over you and it absolutely becomes a question of skill in regards to which players are going to come out on top. If Nooby McTryhard is still killing you, then welp... the problem isn't [insert whatever gun you want to complain about here]. The only issue I have with MIDA and Uriels(no other 450RPM AR) is HCR. HCR should not be a thing, and creates variance which is unaccountable for in your gun battles, which is stupid in a competitive/balance oriented experience. It should remain untouched for PvE's sake and just not register in Crucible. But even then, its far from unbeatable. HCR givin'ya guff? Aim for the body. Getting shredded in midrange by 450 RPM ARs? Push into them with a Sidearm/SMG, or range them with a Scout Rifle. There are so many ways to play around MIDA/Uriel's, still hearing people complain about them at this point is reminiscent of a Monty Python skit, only it isn't funny. You totally asked for it by saying "(Mida/Uriels/Number/Prosecutor users are not welcomed here.)" You could have simply said "What non-meta guns do you currently use/find enjoyable/have success with, etc." but instead you chastised a group of individuals who are smarter than you because they understand the concept of a meta and expected them not to say anything. Whenever the time comes for a weapon tuning, they're gonna figure out/use whatever the best weapons are post update and you're still going to be complaining. Again, you feigning ignorance. To answer your question. Non meta defining weapons I enjoy using are: Kinetic - Old Fashioned, Dire Promise, Better Devils, Nightshade, Vigilance Wing Energy - Nergal, Agenda 5, Perseverance, Valakadyn, Foggy Notion, Royal Dispensation, Black Scorpion Heavy - Tarantula, Widow's Bite, Main Ingredient, and there's always Tractor Cannon for really funny/stupid clips. Sniping people with Tarantula, while it takes some getting used to and definitely isn't happening if you're getting pinged by HCR, is probably the most satisfying thing one can do in the Crucible. I encourage anyone to try it.

Origin story Madrugada - rare scout Sword

I did two PvP matches for Shaxx's quest, but that's it. I love hand cannons though, used them a lot in the first game. With how the setup is now I'd probably run a HC for mid to long range battles and use an auto rifle in the secondary slot for close quarters. I'd use a sub if they didn't bounce around like a mexican jumping bean on ephedrine.

Origin story Last hope Main ingredient

Kinetic: Anything (Mostly Scathelocke) Energy: Sunshot/Valadakn (Not Sure If Spelled Right) Power: Rocket/Sword (Wardcliff and Sins / It Stared Back)

Kinetic: The Forward Path Energy: Tone Patrol Power: Good Bone Structure or Sword

The dead orbit scout Prosecutor A sword

MIDA Uriel's gift and wicked sister

Kinetic: Does Not Compute Energy: Phosphorus MG4 Power: tractor cannon

What abut Last Hope. Are you late to the hate train for that gun?

[quote]My setup is changing but almost all time is something like that: - Kinetic: True Prophecy HC / Blue Bayesian MSu pulse rifle - Energy: Inaugural Adress / Graviton Lance pulses - Power: Hawthorne Shotty or Hakke launcher Show me your non easy/n00b/OP mode guns pls? EDIT: Mida/Uriels N00bs trying to bury this thread LOL[/quote] Scathelock is excellent !

In Iron Banner, I've been LOVING my Origin Story auto rifle. Got it infused up to 282 and the thing is a monster.

I like to have a scout rifle in one of my spots, right not it's Trax Lysis II fully auto and the recoil is pretty easy to play with. The FWC scout is great for team shooting with the damage bonus and the Manannan SR4 with the exploding bullets is good too. Last Hope side arm out guns any auto rifle, if you can get in close enough to use it.

kinetic: Call To Serve/Minimum Distance/Lincoln Green, energy: Drang or Rattler/Agenda-5/Tango-45 power: Sword/Wardcliff Coil

Haunted Earth, eleventh hour and gravity sling

Vigilance wing/martyr's make/ sins of the past

Does it matter on the gun if it not registor the shot . head or chest shot. Gun not matter if shot not count the hit. yet see it on screen or hear it on head set or tv sound.

Origin story, last hope and a weird named fusion rifle. When i did play this game

Antiope smg, better devil's hc, Sturm hc, the i.b. pulse rifle is good. Frontier justice scout is good.