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8/12/2010 8:26:23 PM
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Why exactly is Reach rated M? I can't find any reason...
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board#Restricted_ratings]Well[/url],
[quote]Contains content that might be considered unsuitable for people under 17 years of age. Titles in this category may contain more intense violence, blood and gore, -blam!- themes/content, use of alcohol/drugs, and frequent use of strong language (which starts going uncensored from this point). Examples of Mature games include [b]Halo[/b]*, Dead Space, Fallout 3, and Dead or Alive 4. Many retailers (like Target, Future Shop, GameStop, Wal-Mart and Best Buy) have a policy of not selling games with this rating to people under 17 without parental presence and approval. Currently, M-rated symbols have 17+ next to the word "Mature".[/quote]*irony
Halo 2: Rated M for Blood, Gore, Violence, and Language.
Halo Reach: Blood and Violence.
...what?
There are E10+ rated games out there for Blood and Violence. I can't name them off the top of my head, but there are some. Many T games are WAY worse than Halo's ratings.
There are several arguments for this that you are probably about to say to me:
"It's M because of the assassinations. I mean, violently stabbing someone in the throat and then tossing them aside?"
Then why isn't it INTENSE violence?
"There IS a lot of blood. Did you see the blue gushing from those grunts?"
There have been worse. In lower rated games.
"It is rated M so that little kids won't go and ruin our online experience."
I doubt the ESRB would pull some strings like that. And, it doesn't seem like it's stopping kids from getting the game anyway.
And for those I KNOW will say this, I am 18. Legally old enough to purchase M rated games. I just cannot find any proof or reason whatsoever as to why Reach would be rated M...
[Edited on 08.12.2010 12:38 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere. [/quote] Yes I did see the campaign trailer, and I know several T rated games with violent assassinations. Mirror's Edge has assassinations where you choke someone with a machine gun. Wild 9(it's a PS1 game) has many different ways to kill people. In Wild 9, you can grind them in a shredder and decapitate them. [/quote] I'm so tired of lil kids who do nothing but complain about M Rated games. The game is rated M for good reasons and the ESRB doesn't have to answer to you about it. Kids don't need to be playing games like this, I remember when any amount of blood in a game would instantly get it M rated. So you kids need to get over yourselves and stop complaining. If your parents want to buy you the game them let them do so, but all I can say is they are bad parents for doing so. Frankly 8 year old kids ruin the gaming experience for mature players in many ways. One good example is a lot of them team kill. Myself I just find the kids voices annoying that alone ruins it for me when I want to go into a game and talk with my team mates and one of them is a 8 year old kid.
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[quote]A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M. [/quote] So you are saying games like Transformers War for Cybertron and Batman Arkham Asylum should be rated M?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Santa CIaus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wanzerDe Well there is an assassination where you stab someone in the noggin, that's pretty violent I guess. [/quote]These assassinations are also factored in quite a lot, as they are pretty violent. Stabbing someone in the face or gutting their throat isn't exactly peaceful. Or a huge violent alien gutting them with a giant Sword. [/quote] the point is, things like that happen in other, T, rated games too (and there is no blood during execution in Reach). In the already mentioned Republic Commando, you could knife enemies and they explode into a gorey mess. The differance? It's alien blood, but yet they still put the blood rating.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote]These assassinations are also factored in quite a lot, as they are pretty violent. Stabbing someone in the face or gutting their throat isn't exactly peaceful. Or a huge violent alien gutting them with a giant Sword.[/quote] You need to play Star Wars video games. They have brutal assassinations too.[/quote]You really don't understand the way business works.
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Reason its probably rated m is because of online interaction, ragers, etc(although most games ratings arent based off that halo has been one of the most played games online so that probably influenced the ruling). But seriously halo really isnt that violent compared to some other games i dont think it deserves the m rating IMO. [Edited on 08.12.2010 1:41 PM PDT]
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[quote]These assassinations are also factored in quite a lot, as they are pretty violent. Stabbing someone in the face or gutting their throat isn't exactly peaceful. Or a huge violent alien gutting them with a giant Sword.[/quote] You need to play Star Wars video games. They have brutal assassinations too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote]That's nice. None of us know how violent the rest of the game is. Remember: The Covenant murder several million people. And even if it isn't what we would consider enough violence or blood, ESRB does. A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M. [/quote] In many T games there is murder! What are you, an overprotective soccer mom? Even in E10+ games there is murder! I saw gameplay. It isn't as bad as games like GTA. [/quote] [quote] A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M.[/quote]
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[quote]Also, I remember reading somewhere that it was rated M for blood, violence, and partial nudity. That confused me greatly, maybe it was a typo... [/quote] That wasn't Reach. It was Halo 2 for Windows Vista.
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The ESRB rateing system is flawed in very, very many ways. This game is rated M because of the others in the series (Halo CE) that is the ONLY way this game could get an M rateing. Flawed, so flawed. The need a new rateing system really bad.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wanzerDe Well there is an assassination where you stab someone in the noggin, that's pretty violent I guess. [/quote]These assassinations are also factored in quite a lot, as they are pretty violent. Stabbing someone in the face or gutting their throat isn't exactly peaceful. Or a huge violent alien gutting them with a giant Sword.
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BTW, I agree with the M rating, as I also think ESRB takes the subject matter into hand as well, but it is stupid the double standards they have. [Edited on 08.12.2010 1:39 PM PDT]
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[quote]That's nice. None of us know how violent the rest of the game is. Remember: The Covenant murder several million people. And even if it isn't what we would consider enough violence or blood, ESRB does. A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M. [/quote] In many T games there is murder! What are you, an overprotective soccer mom? Even in E10+ games there is murder! I saw gameplay. It isn't as bad as games like GTA.
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It's probably because you stab people with your rofol-knife during matchmaking and snap their necks
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gamer Stix "It's M because of the assassinations. I mean, violently stabbing someone in the throat and then tossing them aside?" Then why isn't it INTENSE violence?[/quote] They have an intense violence reason as opposed to just violence? Do you really assume that violence is a term not broad enough to cover everything from super smash brothers to shooter games? It's an extremely broad term already, there's no need for further specification. If *example game* is rated T for teen because of violence, and reach is rated M for mature because of violence, obviously reach's violence is worse. There's no reason to make the ESRB waste ink like that. Also, I remember reading somewhere that it was rated M for blood, violence, and partial nudity. That confused me greatly, maybe it was a typo...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere. [/quote] Yes I did see the campaign trailer, and I know several T rated games with violent assassinations. Mirror's Edge has assassinations where you choke someone with a machine gun. Wild 9(it's a PS1 game) has many different ways to kill people. In Wild 9, you can grind them in a shredder and decapitate them. [/quote]That's nice. None of us know how violent the rest of the game is. Remember: The Covenant murder several million people. And even if it isn't what we would consider enough violence or blood, ESRB does. A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Santa CIaus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Santa CIaus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote] You are shooting and killing graphically with a lot of blood and violence[/quote] It would say Blood and Gore and Intense Violence. The only graphic thing in Halo is flood.[/quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere.[/quote] you seriously need to play Doom 3 if you thought that was alot of blood. read my other post.[/quote]It isn't a matter of opinion. Do I think it should be rated M? I don't care because I'm 18. But does ESRB wanted to be held liable for people under the age of 17? No. So it is rated M.[/quote] No, I'm just saying it is differant standards for differant games it seems. If the Blood rating was as concrete as they say it is, Star Wars Republic Commando should've been rated M (was rated T for blood and gore, violence. Should've also put mild language but they didn't -_-) Edit: "That's nice. None of us know how violent the rest of the game is. Remember: The Covenant murder several million people. And even if it isn't what we would consider enough violence or blood, ESRB does. A Game doesn't need to be over-the-top violent to be rated M." But it can be over the top violent and still be rated T. [Edited on 08.12.2010 1:36 PM PDT]
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Well there is an assassination where you stab someone in the noggin, that's pretty violent I guess.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SgtDamon Mortal Combat Armageddon is rated T and in that game, you can rip out a person's spine among other things... ESRB is stupid but we can't help it... unless we had a guy (or girl) on the inside...[/quote] Armageddon is rated M, MK vs DCU is rated T
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShieldyPoo It's M because it's halo. Halo 3 would be the only game that could've possibly not been rated M because the campaign was so watered down. Halo 1, 2, and probably Reach, are all dark, grim, science fiction games with constant killing, a dark story, and a lot of blood and gore. This isn't Super Smash Bros we are talking about.[/quote] can you imagine super smash Bros. with blood? *shivers* OT: I seriously think ESRB is going down hill.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote] think Microsoft has a say in the matter, and want it M. This is because they want to market Halo Reach as a mature game to an older audience [/quote] Could be. I remember the first Transformers Movie was going to be rated R but Speilberg convinced the MPAA to rate it PG-13 because there were kids anticipating the movie. [/quote] I doubt that Microsoft would want it to be rated M. If they did, it wouldn't be a very smart marketing strategy. A game that is rated T seems more family friendly, and more parents will buy it for their children, and also children can buy it without a parent. On the other hand, maybe a few older people won't buy the game because they think they're too cool, or it seems childish, but that number is far outweighed by the number of overage people that will buy it anyways.
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Halo games have usually been rated M mainly for the Flood (dismemberment counts as blood and gore, apparently). I'm not sure how this works out for Reach. Maybe they just wanted to be more consistent with the rest of the series.
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[quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere. [/quote] Yes I did see the campaign trailer, and I know several T rated games with violent assassinations. Mirror's Edge has assassinations where you choke someone with a machine gun. Wild 9(it's a PS1 game) has many different ways to kill people. In Wild 9, you can grind them in a shredder and decapitate them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Santa CIaus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote] You are shooting and killing graphically with a lot of blood and violence[/quote] It would say Blood and Gore and Intense Violence. The only graphic thing in Halo is flood.[/quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere.[/quote] you seriously need to play Doom 3 if you thought that was alot of blood. read my other post.[/quote]It isn't a matter of opinion. Do I think it should be rated M? I don't care because I'm 18. But does ESRB wanted to be held liable for people under the age of 17? No. So it is rated M.
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It's M because it's halo. Halo 3 would be the only game that could've possibly not been rated M because the campaign was so watered down. Halo 1, 2, and probably Reach, are all dark, grim, science fiction games with constant killing, a dark story, and a lot of blood and gore. This isn't Super Smash Bros we are talking about.
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It's actually a bit ridiculous. When compared to a gory game like Dead Space, Halo Reach looks like Barbie Adventures 3. Unless of course, there's more blood and violence than those videos are letting on.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Santa CIaus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bowserpoop [quote] You are shooting and killing graphically with a lot of blood and violence[/quote] It would say Blood and Gore and Intense Violence. The only graphic thing in Halo is flood.[/quote]Assassinations are pretty violent. It says Blood and Violence as to why it is rated M. Seems pretty simple to me. If you saw the Campaign trailer, you'll have noticed first on why it would be rated M: violent battles and blood everywhere.[/quote] you seriously need to play Doom 3 if you thought that was alot of blood. read my other post.
