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8/8/2010 3:32:22 AM
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Bumper Jumper - FIX PLEASE!!!! SUB-TOPIC: Razer Onza config. [UPDATED]
::UPDATE::
Bumper jumper is the same as it was in the beta. So it seems the only way to play BJ (especially Jet Pack) without clawing is the Razer Onza.
This means no custom config either.. Sorry guys..
[MODS NOTICE] Please do not lock this thread, as it is a discussion on Razer Onza control schemes and means to to criticize.
::ORIGINAL THREAD HERE::
I created a thread post-beta in the feedback forum in response to the armor ability button in the bumper jumper scheme. It was 'x', which made you have to take your thumb off the right stick to use them, this was most annoying with Jet pack.
Many people seemed to like the scheme I thought of as a replacement for Bumper Jumper and I really want to know if the bug has been fixed.
Please respond Bungie, we love you.
UPDATE: After 6 pages of discussion a few good layouts came up, and the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRG3cxx5K1s]Razer Onza[/url] appeared as a solution, but not everyone can afford this and it is not a solution to the bug itself, it is a way to get around it. Another solution was "clawing" but this feels unnatural for many as it is not what the controllers are designed for.
I will trust you Bungie in assuring that it has been re-mapped and will not purchase the razer onza immediately. But a response now is not too late! :-)
Another question, if you are so kind in to answering them is will the onza be legal in Reach, that is will it be supported?
ARE YOU UP FOR A PUZZLER??
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chr7ymBVzYE#t=5m2s]Now at roughly 5 minutes in, the control settings are flashed up on the screen, and bumper jumper is shown. I myself can't quite pick it but I guess someone else might be able to?
If you can guess, post it on this thread. [/url]
Keep this thread alive, it's the only way we might get an answer
[url=http://www2.razerzone.com/gamescom2010/]Razer @ Gamescom[/url] : thankyou to Ishkah for the link
ADDED SUB TOPIC: How will you configure your Razer Onza???
Such as:
Default layout with 2LB as Jump and 2RB as Reload/Pickup weapon
or
Recon layout with 2LB as AA and 2RB as Jump
or
Default with 2LB as Melee and 2RB as Switch weapons (Jump still as "A")
Get your suggestions added here!
[b][u]Posted by: Xavygravy
Recon+:
LT = Grenade
LB2 = Jump
LB = AA
RT = Weapon
RB2 = Melee
RB = Reload
X = Switch Grenades
Y = Swap Weapon
L click = Crouch
R click = Zoom
PACKED FULL OF WIN!!![/b][/u]
[Edited on 09.23.2010 3:19 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] earle_117 The "hold LB to jetpack after jumping" idea would be amazing, but it's a million to one chance that they'll actually add it now. I've been looking at Onza stuff every single day but there's still not even a damn release date! I love Razer (my PC gaming mouse is Razer and I LOVE it), and I really want this controller out so I can fricking use jetpacks! I'm going to probably stick with Bumper Jumper, and then assign AA to LB2, and weapon switch to RB2...[/quote]Sounds like a plan!
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The "hold LB to jetpack after jumping" idea would be amazing, but it's a million to one chance that they'll actually add it now. I've been looking at Onza stuff every single day but there's still not even a damn release date! I love Razer (my PC gaming mouse is Razer and I LOVE it), and I really want this controller out so I can fricking use jetpacks! I'm going to probably stick with Bumper Jumper, and then assign AA to LB2, and weapon switch to RB2...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Urza 857 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seabiscuit68 "Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed." Best quote ever - because your idea of what is important >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's Here is a counter - who cares about controls as everyone has the same options and everyone is on an even playing field...what a waste of a thread whining about it - good thing Bungie will ignore this nonsense and address my issue of....[insert issue here][/quote] What makes it an even playing field when most of us would be forced into a different control setup just to use a Jetpack? I will ask you. Are you comfotable on a given layout? What if to use something as efficiently as everyone else you were forced to change? Just to use something that you don't normally use but in a given situation it will be really helpful. Now how is it fair that we ha to lose our aim to fly? While no one else does? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=49451813&viewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=2#end]Alternate Jetpack Activation?[/url][/quote]It would be great! but almost impossible for bungie to incorporate it :(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seabiscuit68 "Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed." Best quote ever - because your idea of what is important >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's Here is a counter - who cares about controls as everyone has the same options and everyone is on an even playing field...what a waste of a thread whining about it - good thing Bungie will ignore this nonsense and address my issue of....[insert issue here][/quote] What makes it an even playing field when most of us would be forced into a different control setup just to use a Jetpack? I will ask you. Are you comfotable on a given layout? What if to use something as efficiently as everyone else you were forced to change? Just to use something that you don't normally use but in a given situation it will be really helpful. Now how is it fair that we ha to lose our aim to fly? While no one else does? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=49451813&viewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=2#end]Alternate Jetpack Activation?[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Der Flatulator6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Betrael i'm glad i'm not the only bumper jumper who is unable to jetpack, but i'm sad that's there no solution :( [/quote]We FIGHT to the DEATH! lol :([/quote] Lol. But seriously I think my thread explains the fix for us the simplest way possible. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=49451813&viewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=2#end]Alternate Jetpack Activation?[/url] And I have bad news for those that don't already know. If you are going to try and play competitively at anything other than an online tournament that uses MLG or Game Battles rules..... Razer Onza is banned. Which is bs considering it is wired. Costs less than the MS controller. And anyone can chose to have access to it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Betrael i'm glad i'm not the only bumper jumper who is unable to jetpack, but i'm sad that's there no solution :( [/quote]We FIGHT to the DEATH! lol :(
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i'm glad i'm not the only bumper jumper who is unable to jetpack, but i'm sad that's there no solution :(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seabiscuit68 "Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed." Best quote ever - because your idea of what is important >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's Here is a counter - who cares about controls as everyone has the same options and everyone is on an even playing field...what a waste of a thread whining about it - good thing Bungie will ignore this nonsense and address my issue of....[insert issue here][/quote]I think this thread and its issue is much more valid than most of the other threads on this forum, let me give you some examples "Noble six is Masta chief" OR "Can't wait for Black Ops"
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"Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed." Best quote ever - because your idea of what is important >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's Here is a counter - who cares about controls as everyone has the same options and everyone is on an even playing field...what a waste of a thread whining about it - good thing Bungie will ignore this nonsense and address my issue of....[insert issue here]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tha Tweaker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DUNGEONMASTR47 why can't i keep it the same as halo 3? i like that layout[/quote] it is. they simply replaced "equipment" in h3 to "aa" in reach[/quote]Yeah, but it is flawed if you want to use the Jet Pack
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Son Of LA I was very suprised that even after beta feedback, they didn't update the bumper jumper. I don't see the big deal. Just add AA to LS, problem solved and thousands of people will be happy.[/quote]Precisely.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DUNGEONMASTR47 why can't i keep it the same as halo 3? i like that layout[/quote] it is. they simply replaced "equipment" in h3 to "aa" in reach
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Neither i like the conf, i use BJ and that's why i can't use jetpack, i use anyother except JP. This is a conf i would like: LB - Jump RB - AA X - Reload Y - Change Weapon B - Melee A - Change Nade
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I was very suprised that even after beta feedback, they didn't update the bumper jumper. I don't see the big deal. Just add AA to LS, problem solved and thousands of people will be happy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Urza 857 Man I've been goin crazy about this since the Beta. I know people that can use claw and I just can't with my huge hands. Why did they just never set the Jetpack to activate upon pressing Jump in addition to your assigned equipment button in the first place. In Pro games there is no Jetpack and Bumper Jumper saves you. In other games it can come in real handy but we don;t wanna change controls just for that random occasion. It's the only AA that really forces you to hold X at a bad time. Only other one that makes you hold it is armor lock and that is obvious how easy it is to use on Bu,per Jumper vs a Jetpack. What if we don't wanna go buying some controller or just can't? I've made numerous post about this myself and it keeps getting overlooked. Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed.[/quote]I think they should just change the scheme to fit all, rather than muck around with button changes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Thicketford Any and all problems with button layouts could be fixed by introducing fully customisable controls. I can't believe that it's 2010 and this isn't an industry standard by now. PC games let you fully customise controls. Why not console games? I would find Recon a lot easier to use for example, if I could put melee on the right stick and zoom on (B). [/quote]Agreed.
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I have changed (much to my disbelief) to Default Controls, but if there is an update, it would be great if it was fixed!
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Any and all problems with button layouts could be fixed by introducing fully customisable controls. I can't believe that it's 2010 and this isn't an industry standard by now. PC games let you fully customise controls. Why not console games? I would find Recon a lot easier to use for example, if I could put melee on the right stick and zoom on (B). [Edited on 09.23.2010 4:19 AM PDT]
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Man I've been goin crazy about this since the Beta. I know people that can use claw and I just can't with my huge hands. Why did they just never set the Jetpack to activate upon pressing Jump in addition to your assigned equipment button in the first place. In Pro games there is no Jetpack and Bumper Jumper saves you. In other games it can come in real handy but we don;t wanna change controls just for that random occasion. It's the only AA that really forces you to hold X at a bad time. Only other one that makes you hold it is armor lock and that is obvious how easy it is to use on Bu,per Jumper vs a Jetpack. What if we don't wanna go buying some controller or just can't? I've made numerous post about this myself and it keeps getting overlooked. Yeah I know Bungie can't respond to everyone at once but the forum is jam packed with people complaining about nonsense and not trying to fix what's important. Then they wonder why nothing ever got fixed.
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Hey bro, this is a gread thread!! Never read it! Well, what else can we do to solve this bumper jumper problem?? Razor Onza sounds great, but do you think it still has the same feel as the Xbox 360 controller?? The best choice is for Bungie to do an update!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ender Fenrir [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChubbyButterz I absolutely love your idea! Simply switch AAs to LS and crouch to X, and all would be fixed.[/quote] had that idea too, that would be perfect[/quote]Too good to be true :(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChubbyButterz I absolutely love your idea! Simply switch AAs to LS and crouch to X, and all would be fixed.[/quote] had that idea too, that would be perfect
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Der Flatulator6 Armour Lock - You DO need sticks to use that (To turn and melee out of it) Jetpack - The only AA thats really THE MAIN problem The only reason I say it is a bug is that it was on the bug list from the beta. And how is LS AAs "less efficient"?[/quote] Holding X to crouch? Are you serious? Just for one AA,that the player doesn't need to use,you're gonna make crouching,something commonly needed and always there,difficult as hell. Brilliant! In fact by doing that you're making camo harder to use than Jetpack with the current setup. And you can always turn the RS while holding down the X button,because you're in armour lock you don't really have to do anything else, and thats assuming that you can turn while you're in armour lock,they could have made the camera immoble or made it face the same direction as what the player went into it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKYDROME Still, mappable controls would be epic.[/quote] Agreed.[/quote]I will just agree to disagree here as I am tired. But they would not have fixed the armour lock camera because you can melee right out of it and get a better look at your surrounds. I think AA is more important than crouch and Toggle crouch has always been the better option (unless you are a tbagger? lol)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Der Flatulator6 Armour Lock - You DO need sticks to use that (To turn and melee out of it) Jetpack - The only AA thats really THE MAIN problem The only reason I say it is a bug is that it was on the bug list from the beta. And how is LS AAs "less efficient"?[/quote] Holding X to crouch? Are you serious? Just for one AA,that the player doesn't need to use,you're gonna make crouching,something commonly needed and always there,difficult as hell. Brilliant! In fact by doing that you're making camo harder to use than Jetpack with the current setup. And you can always turn the RS while holding down the X button,because you're in armour lock you don't really have to do anything else, and thats assuming that you can turn while you're in armour lock,they could have made the camera immoble or made it face the same direction as what the player went into it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKYDROME Still, mappable controls would be epic.[/quote] Agreed. [Edited on 09.03.2010 4:46 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 Why do you keep calling it a bug? Thats like me calling the fact that all weapons in the game aren't instant kill a bug. Now lets discuss the subject,the point of bumper jumper is so you can quickly and easily move,jump,throw grenades,shoot and punch at the same time but if you change the AA button to LB (as the common suggestion is) then you won't be able to do that,making bumper jumper not be able to do what it's best at doing at inhibiting the player. Now you say "But using my AAs will be hard because I have to claw X!" Now I ask,with what AAs is that really a problem? Sprint - You're going in a strait line you don't need the left stick so you can just easily hit X Hologram - Quickly tap X Evade - Same as sprint Drop Shield - Same a hologram Armour Lock - You don't even need sticks to use that Camo - You don't need to crouch walk to use that effectively so clawing isn't that inhibiting Jetpack - The only AA thats really a problem So you're basically trying to make the configurtion much less efficient for a single AA,which a player using bumper jumper may not even use.[/quote]Armour Lock - You DO need sticks to use that (To turn and melee out of it) Jetpack - The only AA thats really THE MAIN problem The only reason I say it is a bug is that it was on the bug list from the beta. And how is LS AAs "less efficient"?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 Why do you keep calling it a bug? Thats like me calling the fact that all weapons in the game aren't instant kill a bug. Now lets discuss the subject,the point of bumper jumper is so you can quickly and easily move,jump,throw grenades,shoot and punch at the same time but if you change the AA button to LB (as the common suggestion is) then you won't be able to do that,making bumper jumper not be able to do what it's best at doing at inhibiting the player. Now you say "But using my AAs will be hard because I have to claw X!" Now I ask,with what AAs is that really a problem? Sprint - You're going in a strait line you don't need the left stick so you can just easily hit X Hologram - Quickly tap X Evade - Same as sprint Drop Shield - Same a hologram Armour Lock - You don't even need sticks to use that Camo - You don't need to crouch walk to use that effectively so clawing isn't that inhibiting Jetpack - The only AA thats really a problem So you're basically trying to make the configurtion much less efficient for a single AA,which a player using bumper jumper may not even use.[/quote] I agree fully with this, as it reflects my sentiments exactly. Still, mappable controls would be epic.
