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8/3/2010 4:33:36 AM
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New Halo the Fall of Reach has Canon problems
In the new version there it states that reach comes under attack at 2542 and not 2552.
the battles for Sigama Octanus and Reach are now 2542
Cole is now a Fleet Admiral in 2530
Admiral Stanforth is now a Vice Admiral
700+ ships attacked reach
[Edited on 08.03.2010 1:53 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.[/quote] I can accept the 2542 thing as a barely understandable typo as the older versions had that scattered about. However the number of Covenant ships being changed is inexcusable, and causes one to wonder who the hell was in charge of the editing process. [/quote]The only way I believe that the change in the ships is aceptable is if the UNSC fleet would be changed as well. Ex. 300 ships now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.[/quote] I can accept the 2542 thing as a barely understandable typo as the older versions had that scattered about. However the number of Covenant ships being changed is inexcusable, and causes one to wonder who the hell was in charge of the editing process.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.[/quote] who is to say that 343 changes that to
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood[/quote]That's because the idea of the SMG was not created at that time. That is why they were not present in Halo CE, but were in Halo 2 and 3. If we are to go by canon-wise, we have to note that they existed at this time, and that there was no reason why they shouldn't have been on the PoA. Bungie's saying when it comes to these situations is "[i]They were there, you just didn't see them.[/i]" is enough for me.[/quote] Cover art is never going to fully reflect the contents of a novel. This goes for anything really. In any case 343 has proven that these reissues aren't actually going to change much so I'll doubt the SMG will make an appearance in text, and if it does it's not that big of a deal as long as it's not something that completely overrides the game's canon (such as if the Chief were to accompany Silva's ODSTs to the Autumn for supplies for the sake of an SMG so that he could exclusively use it during the assault on the Cartographer island). Still...It's god damn hilarious (in a sad way) reading how 3 repair and refit stations absorbed the opening volleys from 700 Covenant ships, and how a force of 100 concentrated UNSC ships plus 20 Orbital MACs plus another 50 plus ships scattered about were able to destroy a third of those 700 ships in a single volley....Yeah gotta love the effort there in the change.
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Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hillofheroes1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [/quote] What the hell is happening?!! These completely unnecessary changes are frustrating the hell out of me. This is a joke.[/quote] this if more then a joke its the beginning of the end for halo as we know it [/quote] It's Legends all over again. The horror..... The horror.....[/quote]C'mon, the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QKvFYQaOkw]Music[/url] was pretty good.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hillofheroes1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [/quote] What the hell is happening?!! These completely unnecessary changes are frustrating the hell out of me. This is a joke.[/quote] this if more then a joke its the beginning of the end for halo as we know it [/quote] It's Legends all over again. The horror..... The horror.....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [/quote] What the hell is happening?!! These completely unnecessary changes are frustrating the hell out of me. This is a joke.[/quote] this if more then a joke its the beginning of the end for halo as we know it
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [/quote] What the hell is happening?!! These completely unnecessary changes are frustrating the hell out of me. This is a joke.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood[/quote]That's because the idea of the SMG was not created at that time. That is why they were not present in Halo CE, but were in Halo 2 and 3. If we are to go by canon-wise, we have to note that they existed at this time, and that there was no reason why they shouldn't have been on the PoA. Bungie's saying when it comes to these situations is "[i]They were there, you just didn't see them.[/i]" is enough for me.[/quote] I know they existed, but whats next... Skirmishers or Drones or brutes in the flood? Maybe MC uses a Spartan Laser. [/quote] I don't see an issue with any of those. The skirmishers could be what little is left of them and were on the ships that followed the Poa. Drones were on the ships above halo, and the brutes could have been on the ships also for maintenance. So no issue.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood[/quote]That's because the idea of the SMG was not created at that time. That is why they were not present in Halo CE, but were in Halo 2 and 3. If we are to go by canon-wise, we have to note that they existed at this time, and that there was no reason why they shouldn't have been on the PoA. Bungie's saying when it comes to these situations is "[i]They were there, you just didn't see them.[/i]" is enough for me.[/quote] I know they existed, but whats next... Skirmishers or Drones or brutes in the flood? Maybe MC uses a Spartan Laser. I know they existed, that doesnt mean they get to put it inside the flood. *sigh* Why 343, why![/quote]I am not pinning this -blam!- on 343. It truly is the Author's fault. By the way, what's wrong of having Drones, Skirmishers, or Brutes in [i]The Flood[/i]? Afterall, they are being featured in Halo Reach's campaign (Not sure about Drones). [Edited on 08.03.2010 5:17 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood[/quote]That's because the idea of the SMG was not created at that time. That is why they were not present in Halo CE, but were in Halo 2 and 3. If we are to go by canon-wise, we have to note that they existed at this time, and that there was no reason why they shouldn't have been on the PoA. Bungie's saying when it comes to these situations is "[i]They were there, you just didn't see them.[/i]" is enough for me.[/quote] I know they existed, but whats next... Skirmishers or Drones or brutes in the flood? Maybe MC uses a Spartan Laser. I know they existed, that doesnt mean they get to put it inside the flood. *sigh* Why 343, why!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood[/quote]That's because the idea of the SMG was not created at that time. That is why they were not present in Halo CE, but were in Halo 2 and 3. If we are to go by canon-wise, we have to note that they existed at this time, and that there was no reason why they shouldn't have been on the PoA. Bungie's saying when it comes to these situations is "[i]They were there, you just didn't see them.[/i]" is enough for me. [Edited on 08.03.2010 5:10 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.[/quote] I meant he never uses them in Halo CE or the original flood [Edited on 08.03.2010 5:05 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER 1: FFFFFFUUUU-----[/quote]Agreed [quote]2: I know, but MC nver uses them.[/quote]It was his primary weapon in Halo 2.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727230215/halo/images/a/af/TF_2010.png]The new flood cover[/url] [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727225761/halo/images/d/d7/FS_2010.png]The new first strike cover[/url] 1: Why the hell is Master Chief wearing Mk IV armor in the flood and first strile? 2: Why the hell is Master Chief using SMGs in the flood?[/quote]1: Because, apparently, these events happened in 2542. Nylund has gone too far. 2: This one is acceptable. SMG's were in use since before Halo Wars.[/quote] 1: FFFFFFUUUU----- 2: I know, but MC nver uses them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A HAM5TER [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727230215/halo/images/a/af/TF_2010.png]The new flood cover[/url] [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727225761/halo/images/d/d7/FS_2010.png]The new first strike cover[/url] 1: Why the hell is Master Chief wearing Mk IV armor in the flood and first strile? 2: Why the hell is Master Chief using SMGs in the flood?[/quote]1: Because, apparently, these events happened in 2542. Nylund has gone too far. 2: This one is acceptable. SMG's were in use since before Halo Wars.
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My question is, why can't they just create a universe and stick to it. The more they build to the halo universe, the more they break it down. A fiction universe should not have to be redone time and time again have the story atlered just so that it can fit the "new released" stories. That is just ridiculous. Also even if you are going to change some thing to make the story fit, then do it right. Its like they are giving us pieces to a puzzle, but now that we are halfway through the puzzle, we realize, "Hey, this picture isn't logical or even right." Then to make it worse, they take pieces from us and replace them with new pieces which don't even fit. Come on halo! this puzzle isnt looking any better, and the pieces you are giving us just arent fitting. Quit -blam!- around, we obviously can and are doing a better job than you and we aren't even getting paid for this.
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[url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727230215/halo/images/a/af/TF_2010.png]The new flood cover[/url] [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727225761/halo/images/d/d7/FS_2010.png]The new first strike cover[/url] 1: Why the hell is Master Chief wearing Mk IV armor in the flood and first strile? 2: Why the hell is Master Chief using SMGs in the flood?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 I actually have no problem with the flood being known before the Halo event or the Spirit of Fire encounter. ONI would seem to be into that kind of stuff. As long as humananity didn't know just exactly how terrifying they were and what their motives were before the halo event I'm fine with it.[/quote]I would accept the Flood being heavily classified. As in, only Section Zero, nobody else.[/quote] Except in the context of the whole letter it isn't heavily classified. Any details about darker secrets of the Spartan II program were intentionally left out and couldn't be spoken about openly in the letter for fear that Halsey would find out. Yet it's fine for them to give mention of the existence of a "'Flood'" [i]anomaly[/i]? Not the best way to appear very classified...[/quote]I don't care if this "Book" is declared the Halo Bible. Most of this -blam!- is unacceptable. Besides, as some people have elequently put it, Games are above Novels when it comes to canon. Halo Reach takes place in 2552, and most of these dates have been mentioned in some form or context within the Trilogy. Therefore, this PoS of a novel is rendered moot when it comes to canon. [Edited on 08.03.2010 4:50 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Can anyone tell me if the UNSC ship numbers at Reach were changed? Because if it was like 300 UNSC plus SMAC's vs 700 covenant then it would seem to be more acceptable with the porportion.[/quote] what, the original numbers were around 30 SMACs and roughly 150 UNSC ships if i remember right. So for this to be "accurate" I expect 60 SMACs and 300 UNSC ships.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 I actually have no problem with the flood being known before the Halo event or the Spirit of Fire encounter. ONI would seem to be into that kind of stuff. As long as humananity didn't know just exactly how terrifying they were and what their motives were before the halo event I'm fine with it.[/quote]I would accept the Flood being heavily classified. As in, only Section Zero, nobody else.[/quote] Except in the context of the whole letter it isn't heavily classified. Any details about darker secrets of the Spartan II program were intentionally left out and couldn't be spoken about openly in the letter for fear that Halsey would find out. Yet it's fine for them to give mention of the existence of a "'Flood'" [i]anomaly[/i]? Not the best way to appear very classified...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The x Rebellion Thats odd, I think there is alot of sorting out to do now. By the way is the new version as good or better than the first? Because I loved the first version.[/quote]This whole discussion is about the new one. As you can see, it has butchered the original.
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Can anyone tell me if the UNSC ship numbers at Reach were changed? Because if it was like 300 UNSC plus SMAC's vs 700 covenant then it would seem to be more acceptable with the porportion.
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Thats odd, I think there is alot of sorting out to do now. By the way is the new version as good or better than the first? Because I loved the first version.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 I actually have no problem with the flood being known before the Halo event or the Spirit of Fire encounter. ONI would seem to be into that kind of stuff. As long as humananity didn't know just exactly how terrifying they were and what their motives were before the halo event I'm fine with it.[/quote]I would accept the Flood being heavily classified. As in, only Section Zero, nobody else.[/quote]Exactly. As long as MC was the first one to have an understanding of what the floods plans were, ONI-Flood shenanigans are fine by me.
