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8/3/2010 4:33:36 AM
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New Halo the Fall of Reach has Canon problems
In the new version there it states that reach comes under attack at 2542 and not 2552.
the battles for Sigama Octanus and Reach are now 2542
Cole is now a Fleet Admiral in 2530
Admiral Stanforth is now a Vice Admiral
700+ ships attacked reach
[Edited on 08.03.2010 1:53 PM PDT]
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Looks like I'll be drawing a line and sticking with my own personalised canon again, just like [i]Legends[/i]. Ignorance is bliss my friends. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:49 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 I believe Bungie would say that Halo Wars is cannon because they are obliged.[/quote]They helped with the concepts, settings, and the plot.[/quote] To try and make the clumped ass story kindof work, clearly they want their baby to thrive. But the fact that ODST came out makes me think that Bungie wanted to be through with Halo quickly and move on before the game was sucked dry. I think that they had a five game/ten year contract and I think that making a quick expansion on a one years cycle was the best way out for them. No offence to ODST but that was clearly not a "true" full Halo sequel. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 I believe Bungie would say that Halo Wars is cannon because they are obliged.[/quote]They helped with the concepts, settings, and the plot.
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I myself have not read any edition of The Fall of Reach, or any other Halo novel for that fact. That said, 2552 is so deeply ingrained in my head that 2542 feels like it's part of an entirely new universe altogether. I was not a fan of 343 Industries taking over, was disgusted at Halo Legends, and am quite a bit disappointed that the guys who left Bungie for 343 have such little knowledge (or control) over a project that is branching off of their own creative work. I rarely ever venture into this particular forum, and in one of the rare times that I have I find that the entire future of the Halo universe has decidedly fallen into shambles. It's a bit agonizing to see such horrendous and massive failure on 343's part, and I find it [i]extremely[/i] depressing that the Halo that I've grown up with and become so tightly fond of is being rapidly stripped away and tossed to the polluted winds of 343's creative "talent". -blam!- those guys.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 Giving Halo to a bunch of anime producers was 343/Microsoft's choice I am blaming them. [/quote]It would have worked well in theory. But, alas! Microsoft has the final say. 343 might say their final oppinions of the product, but Microsoft has the final say. As I have said before, if 343 were to make a game, it would be loyal, seeing as how they would have more control over it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 Allowing them to butcher the universe that I love was 343`s fault and it showed there concern with the quality of Halo going forward. Q&A what?[/quote]What can they legally do? Microsoft owns the IP. Legally, they have no say. It's not really about allowing. [quote]Bungies Halo and the books are the cannon that I will except.[/quote]Oh? So you accept these blunders than? [quote]If they can work in Halo Wars well I will accept it but until then it was forced and lacked the Bungie level of polish both on Characters and story.[/quote]Would you trust Bungie's word as canon? Afterall, they do state that Halo Wars is.[/quote] Giving Halo to a bunch of anime producers was 343/Microsoft's choice I am blaming them. And yes it does suck when there are mess ups like this but I don`t worry about date errors as much as something like Hunters having spines or Elite armour adding to their strength or clumping things onto the lore like Halo Wars did, these are the things that really get under my skin. I believe Bungie would say that Halo Wars is cannon because they are obliged. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:38 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 Allowing them to butcher the universe that I love was 343`s fault and it showed there concern with the quality of Halo going forward. Q&A what?[/quote]What can they legally do? Microsoft owns the IP. Legally, they have no say. It's not really about allowing. If they were to make a game, I am sure that it would be much more loyal to the series. [quote]Bungies Halo and the books are the cannon that I will except.[/quote]Oh? So you accept these blunders than? [quote]If they can work in Halo Wars well I will accept it but until then it was forced and lacked the Bungie level of polish both on Characters and story.[/quote]Would you trust Bungie's word as canon? Afterall, they do state that Halo Wars is. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:32 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote] I am pretty sure that the Halo Legends garbage showed that already[/quote]Technically, all 343 did was give them info from the Halo Bible. It was the Anime companies themselves that butchered the series. Legally, they didn't have to follow the guidelines, and Microsoft is the Producer.[/quote] Allowing them to butcher the universe that I love was 343`s fault and it showed their concern (Or lack their of) with the quality of Halo going forward. Q&A what? Bungies Halo and the books are the cannon that I will except. The encyclopedia, Halo Wars and Legends are NOT cannon in my eyes. If they can work in Halo Wars well I will accept it but until then it was forced and lacked the Bungie level of polish both on Characters and story. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:27 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite assassin 1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote] I am pretty sure that the Halo Legends garbage showed that already[/quote]Technically, all 343 did was give them info from the Halo Bible. It was the Anime companies themselves that butchered the series. Legally, they didn't have to follow the guidelines, and Microsoft is the Producer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote]The books beforehand were also filled with discreptancies. Besides, Nylund should have known better than to make these mistakes. Afterall, he did have access to the Halo Bible.[/quote] i still dont see how he can forget 2552 he did do 3 halo books
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote]The books beforehand were also filled with discreptancies. Besides, Nylund should have known better than to make these mistakes. Afterall, he did have access to the Halo Bible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeBarlow I don't think the 700 number is a mistake, but it makes the book inconsistent form what it sounds like. So to me the only problems are" 1) Inconsistency with the number of Covie ships, originally stated as 700 but then the number returns to the previous 300 from the original printing. 2) The date 2542 is consistently used instead of the date 2552 Let's get a list of all of the errors and send to 343i. It's a shame that there are errors but no need to get real upset. If a well organized list is sent to 343i, they should *hopefully* take care of it.[/quote]I believe that the 2542 errors could of been a printing error on the publishers part. As for the 700 ships... RETCON DAT -blam!-![/quote] They also need to account for Red Team in Halo Wars.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote] I am pretty sure that the Halo Legends garbage showed that already
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hillofheroes1 i still cant under stand how there can be this many erros[/quote]Perhaps 343 trusted Nylund as much as we trusted him. He didn read the Halo Bible, afterall. There shouldn't have been a need for them to double check the product. I would expect a tighter leash in the near future.
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I need to know, is this an entire re-write? Is is more accuarate in all ways aside from the dates? If is an entire re-write I will pick it up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't. Plus the writer writes what 343 wants to be written. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:16 PM PDT]
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i still cant under stand how there can be this many erros
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.
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[quote]I need to know, is this an entire re-write? Is is more accuarate in all ways? Is it Eric Nylund again? If is an entire re-write I will pick it up. 08.03.2010 7:07 PM PDT [/quote] So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore? [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:12 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AwesomeBarlow I don't think the 700 number is a mistake, but it makes the book inconsistent form what it sounds like. So to me the only problems are" 1) Inconsistency with the number of Covie ships, originally stated as 700 but then the number returns to the previous 300 from the original printing. 2) The date 2542 is consistently used instead of the date 2552 Let's get a list of all of the errors and send to 343i. It's a shame that there are errors but no need to get real upset. If a well organized list is sent to 343i, they should *hopefully* take care of it.[/quote]I believe that the 2542 errors could of been a printing error on the publishers part. As for the 700 ships... RETCON DAT -blam!-!
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I need to know, is this an entire re-write? Is is more accuarate in all ways? Is it Eric Nylund again? If is an entire re-write I will pick it up.
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I don't think the 700 number is a mistake, but it makes the book inconsistent form what it sounds like. So to me the only problems are: 1) Inconsistency with the number of Covie ships, originally stated as 700 but then the number returns to the previous 300 from the original printing. 2) The date 2542 is consistently used instead of the date 2552 Let's get a list of all of the errors and send to 343i. It's a shame that there are errors but no need to get real upset. If a well organized list is sent to 343i, they should *hopefully* take care of it. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:10 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin Another Flaw of 343, the Battle of Miridem was in the 2544 IF the battle of Reach "happened" in the 2542, Spartan Sheila would be still alive, and according to Dr. Halsey, Spartan Sheila is one of the Spartans are truly KIA cause she witnessed her dead, there for, it wouldn't be 3 Spartans 100% KIA, but 2 instead.[/quote] Ah alright, so 343 didn't kill another Spartan like I had originally thought earlier in this thread. The Battle of Miridem was the precursor to the events of The Package, and the Spartan who had failed and died to protect Halsey from capture was Sheila...Well least that got cleared up.
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Another Flaw of 343, the Battle of Miridem was in the 2544 IF the battle of Reach "happened" in the 2542, Spartan Sheila would be still alive, and according to Dr. Halsey, Spartan Sheila is one of the Spartans are truly KIA cause she witnessed her dead, there for, it wouldn't be 3 Spartans 100% KIA, but 2 instead by the moment all the Spartans were summoned for the suicidal mission with the Pillar of Autumn in Reach! [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:07 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.[/quote] I can accept the 2542 thing as a barely understandable typo as the older versions had that scattered about. However the number of Covenant ships being changed is inexcusable, and causes one to wonder who the hell was in charge of the editing process. [/quote]The only way I believe that the change in the ships is aceptable is if the UNSC fleet would be changed as well. Ex. 300 ships now.[/quote] My sentiments exactly, but they didn't. The UNSC numbers are still the same and the rest of the novel even plays out "normally" as if the Covenant still had the same numbers as in the original book by stating a third of the Covenant forces were wiped out by the initial UNSC volley. Even Keyes still remarks how the UNSC is outnumbered 3 to 1 despite the obvious difference in numbers. At the very least if they upped the Covenant numbers they would in turn up the UNSC numbers and have the characters reflect upon that change. Instead they just changed the Covenant numbers only and gave no attention to the fact that the characters in dialogue along with regular book descriptions still refer to the enemy as if it were only approximately 300 of them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sniffy66 Attention everyone. The date the Battle of Reach was fought is in 2552. Kat 320 and Spartan 312 would of been still in training in 2542. Operation: TORPEDO took place on July 3rd, 2545. Just clearing this up. Hope this helps. It is "just" a big typo.[/quote] I can accept the 2542 thing as a barely understandable typo as the older versions had that scattered about. However the number of Covenant ships being changed is inexcusable, and causes one to wonder who the hell was in charge of the editing process. [/quote]The only way I believe that the change in the ships is aceptable is if the UNSC fleet would be changed as well. Ex. 300 ships now.
