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8/3/2010 4:33:36 AM
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New Halo the Fall of Reach has Canon problems
In the new version there it states that reach comes under attack at 2542 and not 2552.
the battles for Sigama Octanus and Reach are now 2542
Cole is now a Fleet Admiral in 2530
Admiral Stanforth is now a Vice Admiral
700+ ships attacked reach
[Edited on 08.03.2010 1:53 PM PDT]
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It is one hell of a blunder but I am glad that is has been confirmed to be a typo. Of course it would be a blunder..... phew. The carelessness of it all is quite alarming though. I wonder what the next careless typo will be; "On the crashed remains of the Column of Winter the Master Commander wielded a Battle Cannon in each hand and aimed at the grotesque head of the Headcrab Zombie. His best buddy in the world, the AI Carolina, was stored on his ipod which was set to disk mode in iTunes. They needed to escape the Death Star before it was too late tbh!"
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i concur the palm was simply not enough... i too noticed screwed up dates in my old TFOR from 2001 - thats got me into MANY arguments on here due to outdated canon :D so we now say that the jump from reach to Inst04 took 10 years? seriously, just no. we already know engineering crew did not cryo, and i doubt the covenant would be waiting at Inst04 for best part of 10 years as a battlefleet - if they knew a human ship was approaching and that the ring was the Halo, there would be a much large fleet waiting to obliterate them. and far more ground forces if they somehow survived. the three weeks was plausible, as it meant that only the fleet ships arrived under Thels command anyway, upping the ship numbers from 300 to 700 brings it into line with H2 canon - in H2, Lord Hood says, commenting on Regret's fleet "The fleet that attacked Reach was 50x this size". Since Regret had 15 ships, 50x15=750. of course, '50x' could have been a random estimation, but to overestimate an extra 400-500 ships for a Fleet Admiral is probably considered a no-no. the battle of reach had to happen soon after Sigma Octanus IV obvious, due to the tracking device on the Iroquois - but this MUST be a typo (AGAIN WTF), otherwise all of Halo Reach is in fact wrong. so 343 have already screwed up many times. My support for them (consisting of telling 343-haters to not pan games that havent even been announced yet) is waning, i must admit - i was going to buy a new TFOR to retcon my own knowledge, but if there are still glaring errors that werent fixed over 9 years ago upon original release and over the next 3 or 4 re-releases, then whats the point? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 My Old TFoR has that typo as well, Sigma Octanus occurring in 2542 rather than 2552. To be honest I sort of expected that to be fixed. To me that jumped out and slapped me in the face, such an obvious mistake. To learn that they have potentially missed such an obvious error, [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/blah%20blah/Facedesk-1.jpg]this is all I can say.[/url].[/quote]
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The notification from 343 is interesting. Certainly I didn't believe that they could run with this. I just cannot believe how they could be so careless to ignore these things. And revan, please don't say there are only two errors. There are at least 21 occurrences of "2542", plus the 700 Covenant ships. Even if there were ONLY two errors, it would be almost just as unacceptable. The book was already written and fine in my opinion. For them introduce new errors, no matter how small or big, is laughable in my humble opionion. Now, by reading the tone of your posts I am making a guess (correct me if I'm wrong) that you are a 343 employee or deep sympathizer for them. I don't hate you, and I don't want 343 to fail, and I don't hate any good intentions they might have. But when failures like this are made, and this is by no means the first time I have considered one of their products detestable (Legends), the appropriate criticism is brought by objective thinking from those who care about the Halo Trilogy (and whatever else may be the true Halo Canon) and perceive this new stuff as a distortion of it.
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[quote]revan 320 We're looking into the date typos now, but it appears that the electronic version that formed the base of the reissue may not have been the version we thought it was. In the review process we were literally pulling fixes and notes out of our own dogeared print copies and we understood that the soft copy was starting from the same place we were. This may not have been the case, and obviously we're not trying to make any crazy decade changes in the timeline. Most of the very light editing we did in the reissues was specifically designed to help support the stories from the games, not cause any kind of timeline ruckus. We're anti-ruckus, as a rule. We're still excited about the new bits and pieces in the book (adjunct content in particular) and we're looking at this issue for The Flood and First Strike immediately, just in case.[/quote] This is a ridiculous explanation. They used the wrong version? This basically means that they just copy pasted their edits in and didn't even make any attempt at coherently adding to the story. Disturbing very disturbing. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792[/quote] There wasn't outcry like this. It was disappointing, but it was understandable. A lot of the minor problems were fixed in 1.2 editions and we brightened up a bit. See, the difference here is that these edits were made [i]solely[/i] to fix canon issues and they just made it [i]worse[/i]. In fact, they bloody overwrote their [i]own[/i] canon that [i]they[/i] put in place! [i]And[/i] I just [i]noticed[/i] that I used [i]italics[/i] a [i]lot[/i] in this [i]post[/i]![/quote] So now, once again, we are waiting for a "1.2" version to fix these mistakes. I just don't know anymore. [Edited on 08.04.2010 9:48 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792[/quote] There wasn't outcry like this. It was disappointing, but it was understandable. A lot of the minor problems were fixed in 1.2 editions and we brightened up a bit. See, the difference here is that these edits were made [i]solely[/i] to fix canon issues and they just made it [i]worse[/i]. In fact, they bloody overwrote their [i]own[/i] canon that [i]they[/i] put in place! [i]And[/i] I just [i]noticed[/i] that I used [i]italics[/i] a [i]lot[/i] in this [i]post[/i]!
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APRIL FOOLS! Oh wait... they're serious. At first I thought this thread was a troll, as I didn't think it was possible to mess up the canon so badly. I was wrong, 343 realy are this sloppy. I thought they had the guys from ascendant justice on the team at 343, and if you had people like that giving the book a quick read through before launch 99% of these errors would be eradicated. Obviously 343 couldn't be bothered with the effort, so just put it on the printing press to get the money in quicker.
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I wonder if we may be victims of our own Propaganda in some way. Just reading about the inconsistencies that have existed between Games, books and other media before 343i took over, I am wondering if there was so much outcry over them. I genuinely don't know by the way, as at the time when the last of the main novels were being released, I didn't care even a fraction the way I do now for the storyline. In short, I wasn't here. Now that 343i have taken over, a move that most fans like us were opposed to from the beginning, these same kinds of errors seem to be worse than the errors made before, even though they are of the same magnitude. I think some people are letting their discomfort at the notion of Halo being run by someone else blind them to the fact that things like these have happened in the past. Then they may be feeding off of other peoples discomfort. They are giving 343i the "bad guy look" so that any errors they make are automatically worse than the errors made by Bungie. However I can't and won't ignore the fact that there is, maybe not even malcontent towards the story line, but just plain incompetence in the sense that they appear to be poorly organising things. I mean come on, mixing up the TFoR versions and printing the wrong one?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] revan320 ..[/quote] Congratulations, you've failed to make a point. I already addressed the garbage you're spewing about previous cannon errors. Re-read the post. I'll try and explain it to you as best I can once again. The whole point of adding new content is just that, new content. Not new content RETCONNING old content unnecessarily, poorly as well. Grey team's emotional out bursts were when they were pre-teens. There's a difference. Frankie's homecoming Spartans had no reason to rebel against the augumentations considering they had essentially volunteered at that point, and endured the selection process purposely. It goes against everything we'd come to know about the heroes of this so called universe. The Japanese changed Halsey's appearence? Again why? Why is it so drastically different from the descriptions in the books? Her various descriptions in the books predate the events of that film. So again why change them? The answer is simply to satisfy horny little teenagers, who will undoubtly log onto bungie.net and call anyone heretics for pointing it out. I'm not talking about the retcons made by Bungie. I'm well aware of them. I also haven't actually bought anything from 343 so your 'point' is mute. Opinions, everyone's entitled to them positive or negative. Mine is that 343's additions to canon are terrible, barring Evolutions which I haven't read. I've listed the reasons why I think that. Deal. [Edited on 08.04.2010 7:58 AM PDT]
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Because you guys spit bull-blam!- out,you guys make a large drama just because of 2 errors(700 ships and 2542)while some older halo books had worse errors like ghosts of onyx [url]http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/transmissions/article/2010-08-03--The-Fall-of-Reach-In-Stores-Now[/url] They just added new content that's it and left the original book untouched(except 2542 and 700,they said those were typos). New content?That's what they added in those books,if you want more new content then wait for the new evolutions storys,that book is one of the favorites of fans today.And the traviss books in 2011,Greg Bear Fr books in 2010,just buy them or wait for reviews Emotional issues?Who cares every spartan is different.Don't forget that some members of grey team in the cole protocol also wanted to leave the spartan II program She had grey hair in 2552,but the package is years before that.And 343 gave the japs lots of freedom with the art,they decided to make her look like cortana and young. That's what bungie did as well,with the graphic novel But next time no Japansese anime,but make it like clone wars please Retcons were already made before,like the brutes in FS and other things. If you guys really hate 343 industries then stop buying their products and delete halo wayponit from your xbox Because 343 is garbage right.?So stop buying their thing if you don't like it,you guys just love to cry
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I'm glad they changed to 700 Covenant ships at Reach. That means they will probably take insane amount of casualties at Reach, probably a hundred ships more than what Unyielding Hierophant alone took. When I say I don't care about canon, that means I won't upset whenever there will be expanding to the universe that won't change the important facts of each event/battle.
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Halo cannon is worthless in anything made after Ghosts of Onyx. [Edited on 08.04.2010 5:50 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie Anyway, with that out of the way, apparently I hear they're saying it was a typo because they didn't get the right version, eh? Really now? That's intriguing. I mean, obviously all they cared about was the edits (money) rather than [i]checking to make sure they had the right version[/i]. Dolts.[/quote] Honestly, you would think Frankie would [i]know[/i] that it wasn't the right copy because there are like [i]20[/i] examples of the wrong date, and he freaking MADE A HALO GAME. It's like [i]10 freakin 1[/i] of Halo. It's in the start of EVERY GAME MANUEL! GOSH DARN IT! [Edited on 08.04.2010 5:09 AM PDT]
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[quote][/quote]An issue like this, with the Encyclopedia--basically, them doing a crap job--is the reason why I went off and started my own damn game company rather than having to deal with this crap. I can do better than this, and I know the majority of you guys can as well. Just as an FYI, my doors are still open. You got art, code, writing skills and you're sick of this crap? Toss me a PM. I'll put you to good use. [quote][/quote] Anyway, with that out of the way, apparently I hear they're saying it was a typo because they didn't get the right version, eh? Really now? That's intriguing. I mean, obviously all they cared about was the edits (money) rather than [i]checking to make sure they had the right version[/i]. Dolts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] revan320 and halo doesn't needs heretics or trolls [/quote] Why do simpletons like you insist on calling people who disagree with anything Halo related heretics? A word with religious and phylosophical conotations? If you don't understand a word, don't use it. The original books were full of errors. You're right. However the whole point of the re-release was to CORRECT those errors, in addition to adding new content. Not leave in the same old errors and create more in the process. 343 Studios seems to be missing the point. What we want is NEW content. What we don't want is them retconning things that overwrite the original content. The stuff that made us actually enjoy the Halo universe to begin with. Halo Legends depicting Spartan super soldiers as skinny little girls with emotional issues (Homecoming), while at the same time having us believe these people can lift tanks. You lift a tank? You'd better look like you can lift a tank. That whole episode goes against everything you'd imagine the Spartans were to begin with. Or Dr Halsey now being depicted as a straight off the production line typical blonde bimbo (The Package), DESPITE being an aging female scientist who's sole mission seems to be the survival of mankind. And no, plastic surgery from the future really isn't going to explain away why a scientist responsible for the future of man kind would go under the cutting knife to begin with. The list of bull-blam!- is numerous. As fans it would be preferable to just collectively reject these re-writes, reject Halo Legends. Edit Halopedia, which we know they read judging by the Encyclopedia's plagerism, and seperate 343's "canon" from the already established works. Hopefully they will realise they can't just retcon -blam!- where ever they feel like.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote]But it would make sense why Lord Hood stated: ''Something's not right. The fleet that destroyed Reach was fifty time this size'' [/quote] Yeah, cause it's impossible he just picked a big number to get his point across. It [i]has[/i] to literally mean that there were 750 Covenant ships at Reach. And he's never been guilty of exaggeration either. Exactly 15,110,766 km^2 of Africa was glassed. No less. [/quote] Lord Hood wasn't even at the Battle of Reach, all he had was estimates of survivors! come on guys! this is another screwed up of 343. Put your corncerns in [url=http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=13431&uid=99655597678#!/topic.php?uid=99655597678&topic=13431]Halowaypoin's facebook[/url][/quote] Good idea. Bungie aren't going to change anything. It's not their "baby" so to speak.....to facebook and hassle i say, HASSLE! [Edited on 08.04.2010 3:20 AM PDT]
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Wow wow just wow -2542 typos in many pages -700 covie ships Are you guys really that stupid?Do you really think that 343 are stupid,it's just a goddamn typo And those are only 2 new errors ,you guys are acting that 343 has destroyed the halo canon which didn't happened You guys just love to bash 343 products,you only buy their books to look for errors.You guys are like ps3 fanboys trying to bash Reach graphics Don't buy the forerunner trilogy anymore and leave halo ,because bungie won't return anymore to halo,and halo doesn't needs heretics or trolls Oh look ghosts of onyx had errors too ,like: -2532 :Kurt was still being searched -Deep winter a smart AI was operational more then 7 years Those are errors too but you guys just love to attack 343,now it gets better Look at the errors made in halo before 343 industries came: [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Inconsistencies_in_Halo[/url] [quote]We're looking into the date typos now, but it appears that the electronic version that formed the base of the reissue may not have been the version we thought it was. In the review process we were literally pulling fixes and notes out of our own dogeared print copies and we understood that the soft copy was starting from the same place we were. This may not have been the case, and obviously we're not trying to make any crazy decade changes in the timeline. Most of the very light editing we did in the reissues was specifically designed to help support the stories from the games, not cause any kind of timeline ruckus. We're anti-ruckus, as a rule. We're still excited about the new bits and pieces in the book (adjunct content in particular) and we're looking at this issue for The Flood and First Strike immediately, just in case.[/quote] This is from them on bungie.org And how the hell did halo wars ruined canon?Halo wars didn't ruined canon
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Can someone tell me why they re-wrote the book in the first place? I liked the first book. There was nothing that made me say: "Oh, this needs a complete re-write."
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From Halo Waypoint on Facebook. "The date 2542 that appears in a few spots in place of 2552 appears to be a typo brought on by an unexpected problem, and all events of 2552 do in fact take place during 2552. All of the very minor edits in the reissued novels support the established universe and the games, and we're chasing down the cause of this typo ASAP. But even with this small problem, the story is still classic Halo and the new content is pretty darn cool." Hope that helps a bit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 The books beforehand were also filled with discreptancies. Besides, Nylund should have known better than to make these mistakes. Afterall, he did have access to the Halo Bible.[/quote] Keep in mind that Nylund wrote Fall of Reach back before Halo 2 was conceived. He's not at fault for anything in regards to the reissue seeing as how 343 decided to reissue the original version.[/quote]Nylund also wrote the original FoR in the 3 weeks prior to Halo 1 launching, and from the sounds of it, he had less errors in that then this one. Now I seriously question whether to get the Forerunner Trilogy or not. Before I was going to read that and be done with Halo fiction, but it looks like I might be done after Reach. Damn, how I miss the good old days back in '01-'07 when Halo's universe wasn't completely -blam!- up. I seriously don't understand how someone could miss these huge typos/approve the rectons. Hell, a cursory skim through the book would've solved half this crap.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OOninja This is pathetic. [/quote] yes it is
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This is pathetic.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't.[/quote]The books beforehand were also filled with discreptancies. Besides, Nylund should have known better than to make these mistakes. Afterall, he did have access to the Halo Bible.[/quote] Keep in mind that Nylund wrote Fall of Reach back before Halo 2 was conceived. He's not at fault for anything in regards to the reissue seeing as how 343 decided to reissue the original version.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin So you're going to pay and encourage 343 to keep disrupting the Halo lore?[/quote]Most of the fault actually goes to the Writer. The only thing 343 is guilty of is not checking the final product for mistakes.[/quote] Is their responsability to provide us a quality item, Bungie was always carefull of their work to the very last detail, this shows 343 don't. Plus the writer writes what 343 wants to be written.[/quote] One last thing: publishers (and especially not game developers) hardly have a steel boot at the writer's throat. Otherwise the whole "elites hate doctors!" line from Cole Protocol would have never made the cut.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crakapleez911 343, I am disappoint. I'm actually fearing what they're going to do with First Strike after this. If the battle for Reach started 10 years earlier... how does the time-travel thing with the crystal factor in. I'm hoping against all hope that they're not changing such an integral part of canon just to squeeze a couple more games into the franchise.[/quote] 4 is one tiny little key away from 5. 343 wouldn't possibly be that stupid, as then the entire first game would be out of sync with Chief's departure from Reach. Do we have confirmation of 2542 being "canon?" I'm talking like in the epilogue, where they say that the PoA traveled for 10 years before reaching Alpha Halo.
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343, I am disappoint. I'm actually fearing what they're going to do with First Strike after this. If the battle for Reach started 10 years earlier... how does the time-travel thing with the crystal factor in. I'm hoping against all hope that they're not changing such an integral part of canon just to squeeze a couple more games into the franchise.
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Looks like I'll be drawing a line and sticking with my own personalised canon again, just like [i]Legends[/i]. Ignorance is bliss my friends. [Edited on 08.03.2010 7:49 PM PDT]
