Was reading this thread last night before it got the Golden Seventh column. Here I am on my lunch break and skipped through pages to see if a Bungie employee could shed some light on this horrible mess... only to see Urk called us nerds. We NEED to hear something from 343. We need some clarification. I say we make a petition to 343 asking them to fix what they've screwed up or explain themselves. What I don't get in the first place is why they would even re-release the book. The original Fall of Reach is my absolute favorite book despite is minor inconsistencies (which I like to think happened because of a publishing mistake.) Who's down to write something up for 343? I'd do it but I'm about to go back to work for the next five hours.

I think posting in a topic calling everyone who thinks the errors are sloppy geeks is implying you're somehow above everyone posting in here. That aside I agree with you. Pointing out small errors and crying about it is like ignoring the bigger picture. Apparently though you've also missed the bigger picture. Why did 343 re-release these books again? Oh yeah that's right,to fix errors. What is it they did again? They didn't fix the errors, and created more in the process. Do you not see the problem someone who just bought the book might have with this? I think the date being off doesn't really matter at all, because it's obvious they took an older copy and slapped in a few changes. However that speaks volumes about their quality control, and their future products. I didn't buy the book. However I understand how it can be frustrating for those who did. It's a forum, a place to write useless things that have no real bearing on anything. Why so much concern for this ONE thread complaing about something? Check out the Reach forums. Nothing but complaints. EDIT: Also yeah, I usually roll my eyes when people write how they'll never play Halo again, as some sort of threat. Personally though, I haven't been as interested in the story telling of the series since Halo Legends. Coupled with this re-release it seems as though the future isn't looking too bright for the canon loving Halo fans. That's just my opinion though really. [Edited on 08.05.2010 7:33 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDYeash937 MkII now look. i enjoy all the books as books, and reread them to buggery. its a miracle that TFOR (2001 edition) hasnt fallen apart yet. however, since bungie holds back on so much of the haloverse, then for us nerds to fill it in, we need to use the books to form theories to block up those gaps in the wall of knowledge. if the books dont agree with each other, what is the -blam!- point. /rant at person. EDIT: why the -blam!- are you in the universe forum, Richomack, if youre not here to question/use the canon for theories? that is what this entire bloody forum is for! dont come in here and call us nerds ruining the franchise in a forum that was built for people to pick apart the canon and either highlight issues or use it to their own ends to fill in gaps of knowledge. current theories include, is halsey mirandas mother? without the books, we wouldnt even be able to make educated guesses. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360[/quote] Well, if the fans are not going to scrutinize it, then who is? 343i sure are not. It is called quality control, which 343i are not doing. If no one is going to say "This is BS", then they will keep doing it, people will lose interest and the franchise will lose financial revenue, only shortening its lifespan. I would not like to see this happen, but it will. Half this forum are already thinking about throwing in the towel. Also, moaning about something does not make you any less a fan if you care for the future of the franchise. The world is not built upon ignorance, it is built upon cynicism. That is how things get improved, by pointing out mistakes, not by ignoring them. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360 - reminds me of all those strangely obsessed Star Trek fans.[/quote] Oi![/quote][/quote] I have no problem scrutinising the canon etc but to come out with comments such as "I will never play Halo again" is a little brash to say the least. I am in htis forum to offer a different point of view to the canon scrutinising. Halo has to appeal to a wide audience - from the casual drop in and shoot guys to the hardcore people who calculate the speed a mac cannon round travels at. No problem with whatever level you choose to enjoy it at but to be ranting about certain things is a bit insane ? Me moaning is aimed at those that will "never play halo again" - even though I would put my money on them playing a new halo release or thumbing through a new book. I find the Halo back story very enjoyable, I like reading people's fan fictions etc - do I tap them on the shoulder every time they make a mistake ? No. By all means debate it but dont go to weird depths with it. Every franchise will eventually be milked to death, whether it be Halo, Final Fantasy, Indiana Jones, The Bill, Tickle Me Elmo etc - as long as a profit is to be made then the companies will keep producing Vote with your feet, if you do not like it then don't buy it. Regarding the plot holes and bits that Bungie holds back on why not use your imagination ? If everything was locked in canon then there would be little room to expand and more chance of things going wrong. Liken it to seeing an attractive woman wearing a nice cocktail dress - you use your imagination to wonder whats contained within, if she turned up completey starkers then where would the fun be ? I believe people need to take a step back and detract from throwing the word canon around every other word and constant complaints - just enjoy the game / books.

now look. i enjoy all the books as books, and reread them to buggery. its a miracle that TFOR (2001 edition) hasnt fallen apart yet. however, since bungie holds back on so much of the haloverse, then for us nerds to fill it in, we need to use the books to form theories to block up those gaps in the wall of knowledge. if the books dont agree with each other, what is the -blam!- point. /rant at person. EDIT: why the -blam!- are you in the universe forum, Richomack, if youre not here to question/use the canon for theories? that is what this entire bloody forum is for! dont come in here and call us nerds ruining the franchise in a forum that was built for people to pick apart the canon and either highlight issues or use it to their own ends to fill in gaps of knowledge. current theories include, is halsey mirandas mother? without the books, we wouldnt even be able to make educated guesses. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360[/quote] Well, if the fans are not going to scrutinize it, then who is? 343i sure are not. It is called quality control, which 343i are not doing. If no one is going to say "This is BS", then they will keep doing it, people will lose interest and the franchise will lose financial revenue, only shortening its lifespan. I would not like to see this happen, but it will. Half this forum are already thinking about throwing in the towel. Also, moaning about something does not make you any less a fan if you care for the future of the franchise. The world is not built upon ignorance, it is built upon cynicism. That is how things get improved, by pointing out mistakes, not by ignoring them. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360 - reminds me of all those strangely obsessed Star Trek fans.[/quote] Oi![/quote] [Edited on 08.05.2010 5:15 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360[/quote] Well, if the fans are not going to scrutinize it, then who is? 343i sure are not. It is called quality control, which 343i are not doing. If no one is going to say "This is BS", then they will keep doing it, people will lose interest and the franchise will lose financial revenue, only shortening its lifespan. I would not like to see this happen, but it will. Half this forum are already thinking about throwing in the towel. Also, moaning about something does not make you any less a fan if you care for the future of the franchise. The world is not built upon ignorance, it is built upon cynicism. That is how things get improved, by pointing out mistakes, not by ignoring them. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360 - reminds me of all those strangely obsessed Star Trek fans.[/quote] Oi! [Edited on 08.05.2010 5:06 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] vexeN [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360 I agree...I have never seen such a load of "much a do about nothing" It's not 343 taking the enjoyment away from Halo - it's you nerds!!!!! Moaning, whining, complaining when numbers don't add up etc - honestly, if you don't like it put the book down. Remember the phrase "when something odd happens - a wizard did it" Stop turning Halo into a geek fest !!!!![/quote] You're so cool bro! You're so much better than everyone here. YEH screw books! Who reads that -blam!- anyway? They don't have to make sense, or be coherent. These geeks just need to shut up and give 343 money. Lets face it, TEN years difference in the dates isn't anything, that's only like 2/3rds of your lifetime right brah?! har har har ....[/quote] I tend to only get animated over real life issues, not a fictional date created in error (or whatever the purpose) in a book. That date in a book doesn't detract my enjoyment from the Halo series, I still read them and if there is an error then so what ? People saying they are making notes about the book and actually spending time to FIND errors for some Internet Super Stardom Award instead of reading the book - accepting the issues and moving in is just plain odd - reminds me of all those strangely obsessed Star Trek fans. In episode XXX the rocks were grey, but in the next clip they were...zzz Ask yourself - does it really matter ? When you pick up Reach are you going to be asking yourself about the dates and have your enjoyment ruined? No. I never said I am better than everyone in here (bit of a daft comment from yourself) just that the people who are turning Halo from an enjoyable franchise into a complete geek fest by picking on every small detail and whining / stomping feet need to really put it all into context - mistakes happen. I am a Halo fan and have been since day 1 - but do I go in a tizzy because MC's codpiece is a wrong colour ? No, just accept that mistakes happen...lastly 343 doesn't make you buy the books - it's your choice, if you bought it and don't like it then return it, I don't go mad on the internet because what I bought was wrong / incorrect. Madness. [Edited on 08.05.2010 4:24 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richomack360 I agree...I have never seen such a load of "much a do about nothing" It's not 343 taking the enjoyment away from Halo - it's you nerds!!!!! Moaning, whining, complaining when numbers don't add up etc - honestly, if you don't like it put the book down. Remember the phrase "when something odd happens - a wizard did it" Stop turning Halo into a geek fest !!!!![/quote] You're so cool bro! You're so much better than everyone here. YEH screw books! Who reads that -blam!- anyway? They don't have to make sense, or be coherent. These geeks just need to shut up and give 343 money. Lets face it, TEN years difference in the dates isn't anything, that's only like 2/3rds of your lifetime right brah?! har har har .... [Edited on 08.05.2010 1:03 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] You're no Frankie!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] I agree...I have never seen such a load of "much a do about nothing" It's not 343 taking the enjoyment away from Halo - it's you nerds!!!!! Moaning, whining, complaining when numbers don't add up etc - honestly, if you don't like it put the book down. Remember the phrase "when something odd happens - a wizard did it" Stop turning Halo into a geek fest !!!!!

man i really hope they don't do this to the cole protocal, i loved that book....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude It is one hell of a blunder but I am glad that is has been confirmed to be a typo. Of course it would be a blunder..... phew. The carelessness of it all is quite alarming though. I wonder what the next careless typo will be; "On the crashed remains of the Column of Winter the Master Commander wielded a Battle Cannon in each hand and aimed at the grotesque head of the Headcrab Zombie. His best buddy in the world, the AI Carolina, was stored on his ipod which was set to disk mode in iTunes. They needed to escape the Death Star before it was too late tbh!"[/quote] Hahaha that would be one hell of a typo. I am glad it hasn't been that bad yet. -Knocks on wood- crap can't find wood. -X

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Did Halopedia actually cite where it says that [i]spartans[/i] were sent to Miridem? I don't recall there being any mention of spartans in plural being sent to Miridem in any of the Halo books. Only that Halsey mentioned that Shelia died on Miridem and saw it personally. Edit: To quote directly from Ghosts of Onyx: "'Sheila is dead,' Dr. Halsey said. 'I personally witnessed her killed in the Battle of Miridem..." There is absolutely no other information in the slightest that would even imply more than one Spartan was present on Miridem. This is precisely why I dislike it when people quote Halopedia because those that edit Halopedia take far too many liberties interpreting canon.[/quote] It doesn't state either Sheila was alone, plus in the package portraying the chief, Fred, Kelly, Arthur and Solomon, indicates (counting sheila) there were atleast 6 Spartans, but in previous battles where were more Spartans alive, they never operated alone. The Spartans always work in groups, most of the time. But this info coming from the Halopedia has been there for a long time ago, i know because i visit the Halopedia a lot for my own Halo fan projects. I like to follow the laws and rules of the Haloverse.[/quote] You are indeed correct sir. Prior to this new content being released no other source did not state Shelia was alone either, and given how Spartans usually worked in teams it's reasonable to a degree to assume Spartan[i]s[/i] were deployed to Miridem, but until it's directly stated either position shouldn't be considered solid fact, which Halopedians have a habit of doing. With the advent of this new information however, it's clear that Shelia was on her own acting as Halsey's bodyguard for reasons unknown that even baffle the UNSC.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Did Halopedia actually cite where it says that [i]spartans[/i] were sent to Miridem? I don't recall there being any mention of spartans in plural being sent to Miridem in any of the Halo books. Only that Halsey mentioned that Shelia died on Miridem and saw it personally. Edit: To quote directly from Ghosts of Onyx: "'Sheila is dead,' Dr. Halsey said. 'I personally witnessed her killed in the Battle of Miridem..." There is absolutely no other information in the slightest that would even imply more than one Spartan was present on Miridem. This is precisely why I dislike it when people quote Halopedia because those that edit Halopedia take far too many liberties interpreting canon.[/quote] It doesn't state either Sheila was alone, plus in the package portraying the chief, Fred, Kelly, Arthur and Solomon, indicates (counting sheila) there were atleast 6 Spartans, but in previous battles where were more Spartans alive, they never operated alone. The Spartans always work in groups, most of the time. But this info coming from the Halopedia has been there for a long time ago, i know because i visit the Halopedia a lot for my own Halo fan projects. I like to follow the laws and rules of the Haloverse.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Did Halopedia actually cite where it says that [i]spartans[/i] were sent to Miridem? I don't recall there being any mention of spartans in plural being sent to Miridem in any of the Halo books. Only that Halsey mentioned that Shelia died on Miridem and saw it personally. Edit: To quote directly from Ghosts of Onyx: "'Sheila is dead,' Dr. Halsey said. 'I personally witnessed her killed in the Battle of Miridem..." There is absolutely no other information in the slightest that would even imply more than one Spartan was present on Miridem. This is precisely why I dislike it when people quote Halopedia because those that edit Halopedia take far too many liberties interpreting canon. [Edited on 08.04.2010 6:10 PM PDT]

Guess I need some white out as well when I get it next week :(

Kudos... everyone... seriously... never in my life have i heard such nerdy things (Besides D&D, High School, Comic Book Store Next to my house) haha.. I love you guys (No -blam!-) =)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Right, but it says: "that the Spartan-II[b]s[/b] were sent in" Meaning more than one, so it chould be somone other than sheila. But i'm just argueing for the sake of argueing, I'd think it was sheilia too, just pointing out it may not be.[/quote] Dude i know you want to keep argueing, but it is mentioned Sheila was the only Spartan killed, and the Spartan that was bodyguard of Dr. Halsey was killed by the Covenant, do the math![/quote] Hm? where did it say she was the only one killed? It says that she was killed, but it doesn't say she was the single causlty... [/quote] When Dr. Halsey gathers the Spartans in Reach to breif them with the suicide mission, she says there are only 3 Spartans that are known truly 100% sure as KIA's i could pressume those are: Sheila, Arthur and Solomon. And we know Arthur and Solomon died after the Battle of Miridem, "The package".

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Right, but it says: "that the Spartan-II[b]s[/b] were sent in" Meaning more than one, so it chould be somone other than sheila. But i'm just argueing for the sake of argueing, I'd think it was sheilia too, just pointing out it may not be.[/quote] Dude i know you want to keep argueing, but it is mentioned Sheila was the only Spartan killed, and the Spartan that was bodyguard of Dr. Halsey was killed by the Covenant, do the math![/quote] Hm? where did it say she was the only one killed? It says that she was killed, but it doesn't say she was the single causlty... [Edited on 08.04.2010 4:38 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Right, but it says: "that the Spartan-II[b]s[/b] were sent in" Meaning more than one, so it chould be somone other than sheila. But i'm just argueing for the sake of argueing, I'd think it was sheilia too, just pointing out it may not be.[/quote] Dude i know you want to keep argueing, but it is mentioned Sheila was the only Spartan killed, and the Spartan that was bodyguard of Dr. Halsey was killed by the Covenant, do the math!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i] [/quote] Right, but it says: "that the Spartan-II[b]s[/b] were sent in" Meaning more than one, so it chould be somone other than sheila. But i'm just argueing for the sake of argueing, I'd think it was sheilia too, just pointing out it may not be.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crakapleez911 [/quote] I just channel my [b][i]rage[/i][/b] about it into terrible sarcastic humour.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gzalzi [/quote] Hm, well I suppose it's slightly more humorous when it's a reference to something else. Maybe I'm just angry that someone either botched canon completely, or mistook the 4 key on their keyboard for the 5 key TWENTY-PLUS TIMES.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crakapleez911 [/quote] [i]Actually[/i], it's that Frankie made an identical post ages ago when people were talking about cannon, and I found it ironic now that we are complaining about 343 (which Frankie is a big part of) ruining cannon that that urk made the exact same statement.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gzalzi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] Anyone else see the irony in this post (and it's not that urk is a nerd, it's something that requires much more unnecessary thought)?[/quote] The fact that the Community Manager for Bungie posted that in the forum revolving around canon discussion because we were discussing canon? Yes. Ironic. And I'm torn between allowing him to get away with a poor joke or actually becoming dissatisfied with his professionalism. But that's just me.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Yay humanity knew about the Flood. That is definitely fine and not annoying. I can't help but feel that the writers are just destroying established canon to allow for future writing opportunities. -Turns out the Master Chief WAS the Gravemind. -The Pillar of Autumn was sentient, and from the future. -There was ANOTHER hidden team of Spartans, Team Teracotta. -Truth used to be a human, but is now a robot disguised as a prophet. Powered by lemons. -Cortana was actually just a really short human. I wish they could just pay respect to the original material and stop diluting the quality with poor writing and ideas. [/quote] Okay, this needs to go into the Universe archive of hiliraity, somone go make one. anyways, @StealthSlasher2, how do you know it was shelia?[/quote] 1+1 logic. Shelia died on Miridem, Halsey saw it personally as she was there herself. The report (both UNSC and Covenant) detail how Halsey's Spartan bodyguard was killed attempting to protect Halsey as she escaped Miridem prior to her capture by the Fleet Major Thel was apart of. As there was only one Spartan reported on Miridem killed, it is only logical they are referring to Shelia. [/quote] Makes sense, but with all the new info they are adding, there may be more info that makes your logic invalid. That, and it could have easily been any other Spartan sent there, I don't recall Sheila being the only one present. [/quote] Yes, she is mentioned in the book "Ghosts of Onyx" Halopedia info: [i]The Battle of Miridem was a conflict between UNSC and Covenant forces on the planet Miridem in 2544. Nothing is known of this conflict except that the Spartan-IIs were sent in, and that the SPARTAN-II Sheila was killed during the battle. Dr. Catherine Halsey was apparently present at the conflict.[/i]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Nerds! ;)[/quote] Anyone else see the irony in this post (and it's not that urk is a nerd, it's something that requires much more unnecessary thought)?