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8/1/2010 9:07:16 PM
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I dont see how a spartan can use a knife to assisnate an elite.
If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote] Couple of things I would like to point out to address your question. Firstly, I believe that, regarding both the SPARTANs and the Covenants shields (as the UNSC reverse-engineered theirs off of the Covenant technology from captured Jackal shields), both technology stop high-velocity projectiles (and plasma weapons <_<). Admittedly, in the books, it mentions when Master Chief gets his armor he felt like he was ''walking on greased ice'' because of his boot shields (yes, they're full-body), perhaps, since the UNSC actually upgraded some parts of the shields (the Covenant are imitative in their technological advancements, not innovative like humans are), so Covenant shields might NOT protect them all the time, just react to high-velocity projectiles, and then shut down to preserve power until another high-v projectile comes by again, which means a relatively slow moving object, such as a hand, your weapon that you're holding, or a enemy's knife, would slide right in past the shields. With regards to their armor, even that is no match for a sharp enough object. In the book 'Halo: The Flood', Master chief's neck was actually punctured by a flood infection type, and only Cortana zapping it with the armor's systems prevented chief from becoming a Flood. So it stands to reason that the Elite's armor, which was actually remarked in the books, by an Elite, to possibly be WORSE than the Spartans MJOLNIR armor, would not repel a knife.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAT 117x shields only keep objects moving at very high velocities out. That is why a spartan can shake someones hand without the shield going off. The speed of an object determines if it hits the shield or not. you have your answer[/quote]
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If you noticed, the head area for both sides are not covered in shields as well as other areas. Snipers, for example to one shot to peirce the shields AND helmet and skin etc. While on the chest, it only breaks the shields. Please think before you post.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Joshwaar Bee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 Sorta like jellaton,you slap it it just wobbles and goes back into place but if you slowly poke your finger through it it'll ... break? (I'm not sure what the right word is to use)[/quote] I think it's 'non-Newtonian substance.' Just so you know :)[/quote] THANK YOU! Thats what I was trying to remember for ages.
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A bullet only slightly damages shields because once the force has gone into the target, the bullet stops and drops, but the knife, even when the shield is broken, is being 'pushed' and so will keep going after the shield has gone. The bullet does not have continual force; once the force it did have is used, it can do no more. Also, a Spartan's single punch can take down shields, so add a knife to that, targeting a soft, vulnerable area, and you have a dead Elite. Or Spartan. Energy swords are irrelevant, they do not function like a solid material blade would. I mean, if a forklift (lol) was driving into a Spartan, it's not going to stop trying to go forward once the shield drops, is it? Same principal at work. Besides this, the books do state the the shields only flare up to really fast moving objects, but I'd have thought a rapid Spartan punch might induce it (hence why melee damages shields), and they also say the slight effect it has can make holding items hard and stuff for the user (though they have control over it to reduce this influence). [Edited on 08.01.2010 2:21 PM PDT]
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Stab it in the throat, it is probably moving too slowly to be affected by shields or anything.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote] Why are people so stupid? So many of these threads, all of them making themselves look knowledgable by using terms like "bullets travelling at the speed of sound"... -.- Epic fail. There are HEAPS of places on Elite (and Spartan) armour which only has a flexible rubber-type material, joining the armour places together and providing insulation at the same time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Evil Johnny [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grievous208 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Evil Johnny [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grievous208 Why can we [b]PUNCH[/b] people to death?[/quote] First, any normal human being can. If you punch really hard someone on a certain mid line of the body, you can kill someone with one punch, there are other sensible places too. Second, you have to understand spartans go through [b]major[/b] skeletal and muscular "upgrades", if you read the books, you'd know a punching spartan is a normal person using a blunt weapon.[/quote] You're late. Read it again. I already had fixed it to punching Elites.[/quote] I interpreted that as punching elites in the first place. I wanted to say that spartans' punch power is underestimated.[/quote] Okay but im relating to how come a punch to a shield works just fine and yet some people question why a knife works. Not to be confused with merely punching people/aliens to death
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAT 117x shields only keep objects moving at very high velocities out. That is why a spartan can shake someones hand without the shield going off. The speed of an object determines if it hits the shield or not. you have your answer[/quote] I agree with you for the most part, but for the sake of arguement, then why does melee ineract with shields, but not a knife?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAT 117x shields only keep objects moving at very high velocities out. That is why a spartan can shake someones hand without the shield going off. The speed of an object determines if it hits the shield or not. you have your answer[/quote] Wrong if you read the books it talks about how master chief had to adjust the shields to keep from sliding across the floor and pushing away chairs. what your thinking of is the kinetic barriers in Mass Effect.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote] because rolf knife deminds blood ur blood
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In the Ghost of Onyx halo book the Spartans had to defend themselves from sentinels who's shields could deflect any round. The Spartans found out that a slow moving object such as rocks would go through this shield and destroy the sentinel. Same is applied with a knife. Shields are designed to stop high impact trauma such as a plasma round or bullet. If you want protection from a knife you need a Kevlar vest with interwoven threads of titanium or ceramic cords. A good example of this today would be this armor. [url=http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin/]this armor[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote] well if you know your science you wouldn't off made this thread! because you will know that slower moving matter can penetrate solid matter more easier because its moving the particals at a slower rate - try it cornflour experiment. What you do Step 1 Pour half a box of cornflour into a bowl. Then gradually pour water over and mix until it looks and feels like custard. Step 2 Run your fingers through the liquid. Step 3 Now try and punch the mixture with your fist. What happens When you run your fingers through it, it acts like a liquid. But when you punch it, it becomes hard and behaves like a solid. (If it doesn't, try adding some more cornflour.) How and why The cornflour particles are suspended in the water, so it flows like a liquid. But when you apply a force to it, the particles lock together, acting like a solid. As soon as the force stops, the slime goes back to being runny. THIS ACTS THE SAME FOR MANY DIFFERENT PARTIALS SUCH AS SHIELDS, SLOWER IMPACT MORE DAMAGE [Edited on 08.01.2010 2:04 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vintage1993 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAT 117x shields only keep objects moving at very high velocities out. That is why a spartan can shake someones hand without the shield going off. The speed of an object determines if it hits the shield or not. you have your answer[/quote] that's only assumed canon to the games because in the books they were able to control how dense the shield on each part of their body was through buttons in their helmet and since the shields had no grip their feet were usually on very low percentage of shielding i liked how DUNE made shields work though if you havent read you really should its brilliant[/quote] Except half the usefulness of the shields in Dune came from the fact that if someone used an energy weapon against one they'd basically set off a nuke, meaning nobody used energy weapons for fear of blowing themselves up as well as their target.
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Well, more or less. People still dont know how the shield system works. [Edited on 08.01.2010 1:54 PM PDT]
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I saw many spartans killing alites like this, in the beta as a spartan I did it so, spartans can, why even make this thread? you see it, is real, end of story
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so i guess we can all agree that that biggest threat to a spartan/elite is the huge slow bullets from mario
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the military is developing a new liquid body armor that works on the same principle. it's soft and flexible for the user, but when struck by a bullet or any fast object it stiffens up and you're still alive.
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haha at the start of halo 3 that guy is talking about chief's gel layer taking most of the impact i guess thts wot it means... and i think the right word is rip or disintegrate depends how many fingers u stick in and how big they are i guess
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The amount of pounds of pressure a spartan can punch at is probably the same as a warthog running into an elite which is also a one hit kill.
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You cant seriously expect every aspect of gamplay to be cannon
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BehemothUK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote] It could be all to do with the shape and the force bullets move fast sure, but there size is relatively small and the bullets are curved for aerodynamic reasons meaning the shield can deflect A knife, isnt as pointed as a bullet, so would be more of a blunt trauma, same as a punch. How does that take a shield down? Because its a blunt trauma The only thing i can think of tbh. same with vehicles, blunt trauma. hope this helps you understand :)[/quote] I don't think a knife qualifies as blunt trauma...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cerberous226 Well theres a part in the Ghosts of Onyx book when the Sentinals (sorry for the spelling) are activated when the SIII's (Team Sabre) start shooting at them, but the shields deflect them. So when one of the Spartans is out of ammo, he resorts to throwing a rock at it. Because the rock was thrown at a slower velocity, the shield did not activate and was hit by the rock. Since the Covenant are imitative, not innovative, they use the Forerunner shields that the Sentinals use. So when a Spartan jumps on an Elites back and shoves a knife into its throat, its not stopped because the knife is traveling at a slower velocity than what a bullet would be traveling.[/quote] This is the best explanation, and if an iteration is needed on the Elites to Spartans, it's because the Elites are using a plasma dagger, and plasma is plasma, whether it be a dagger or a sword. In First Strike the Chief gets in a fight with an Elite with an Energy Sword, and as the Chief struggles to hold back the Elite, the sword merely touches his shield before it drops to nothing. So the Elites pierce the Spartan's shielding because of better tech. [Edited on 08.01.2010 1:39 PM PDT]
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a sniper round can
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CDC C0L0SSUS If a bullet doesn't penetrate through shields and the speed of sound, how can a knife being thrusted must slower instantly penetrate. The elites yes cause they have the energy sword. Just something to think about. [/quote]The shieldings probably only detect High Speed Projectiles?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] deusvult41 Just think about the ending of halo wars. The arbiter gets stabbed in the throat and dies(plus the energy sword through the stomach). I know its a different game but the same principle is there.[/quote] It was actully the skin inbetween the mandibles
