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Edited by LoxusVT: 9/4/2017 11:02:54 AM
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Leave aim assist on controllers for pc

Most of my pc gameplay time has been on a game called S4 League, if anyone knows this game they know that this game is so heavily based on movement and your ability to use weapons to boost your movements as you jump off walls and ceilings. I loved This game to death but the longer i played it the more pain my hands and fingers we in. See i have muscular dystrophy which effects all the muscles in my body including my hands so when i play this game for an extended period of time my hands just ached to no end. I loved the game so much but i eventually had to stop playing it because at the time it didnt have controller support and because of the pain i would go through while playing it and thats why im writing this. For people like me who currently only play console because its easier and puts less strain on our body but seeing that one of our favorite games is coming to pc this idea of removing aim assist for controllers on pc is saddening. Doing something like that would force people like me to either go console even though they want to be a part of the destiny community on pc or it would force us to use mouse and keyboard which would drastically reduce the time we are able to play. Part of being disabled sometimes sadly means that people dont think about you or what you need and to see that part of this wonderful community doesnt see the other side kind of breaks my heart. Not everyone who plays video games is able-bodied and thats why video games are great because anyone can play video games even if they have some sort of physical or mental disability. So keeping aim assist on controllers for pc means that every member of your community can play and be a part of what makes this game great. So please keep it that way everyone can enjoy fighting for the #puppies. Edit: Reasonable option for the situation have been posted below one of which i think is doable. Creating code that would detect those exploiting the AA while using M&K and ban them from pvp. The ban to pvp is my addition to the original ideas. Credit: TinyGreenDot Edit2: For those arguing that AA removes skill its doesnt. AA isnt some soldier 76 auto aim all it does is pull you a little closer to where you are already aiming. It does not guarantee hits so odds are if you are out in the open and someone is shooting at you that person regardless of if they have AA on or not they were going to hit you. On top of that because of the way AA works it might actually hinder your aim, to many times have i played overwatch or any other shoot and someone has passed by an enemy i was aiming at and its pulled me away. AA is a double edged sword for both players in all situations so the notion that AA is going to change a players aim substantially isnt correct. At the end of the day you either have good aim or your dont regardless of AA. Edit3: One of things people arent considering is the fact that there are weapon perks that particularly effect AA by either increasing it it decreasing it. So if you removed AA from some weapons with particular roles they would have to be reworked and redone. On top of that some weapon archetypes have a higher AA value than others. For example a high impact, low clip, low stability snipers has a higher aim assist value than a sniper like prediths revenge (a sniper with high clip size, high stability and higher fire rate from destiny). So removing AA would make all those high impact snipers worthless or at the very least incredibly difficult to use. Hand cannons, scout rifles and pulses with the same type of archetypes would also suffer the same issues. Removing AA isnt a black or white issue as some seem to think it is. As a destiny vet i would advise some of the new comers to go watch some old planet destiny or datto videos to understand how the aim assist in destiny works. Edit4: Destiny is not an esport. No dedicated servers, no spectator mode, no private matches ( at least not at launch) and the fact that the devs themselves have said they arent trying to turn it into an esport means its not hapoening any time soon. Edit 5: if the main argument for removing AA is that it doesn't take skill to kill some one with AA then im sure you wont like anything that tracks in the game like all of these mechanics/weapons/ perks: *[u]Axion Bolt / Arc Bolt[/u] *[u]Hidden hand ( perk that increases aim assist[/u] *[u]Tyconaut (Titan Exotic Helm that has been seen in trailers that gives all rockets lock on[/u] *[spoiler][u]perk on the hammer of sol titan that allows for thrown hammers to home in on targets[/u][/spoiler] *[u]Skip Grenade For Hunters[/u] *[u][b]Nova bomb for warlocks literally chases you around the map[/b][/u] *[u]Melee supers also have high AA to ensure that you actually hit a target when you swipe (this would currently apply for defenders and arcstriders and was actually a huge problem for destiny 1 with the blade dancer[pole dancer before it was pole dancer] blade dancer had major problems with hit registration and AA on swings as well as its targeting[/u] *[spoiler][u]dubious volley ( an exotic rocket launcher whos projectiles home in on targets[/u][/spoiler] So if you want to take AA off these weapons and perks will all be effected and im sure this isnt even 1% of the weapons and armor pieces that would need to be reworked entirely if AA is removed.
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  • Sucks about your situation, but I absolutely disagree. Just like I don't think mouse and keyboard should be allowed on console, I don't think controllers should be used on PC. If I was in your situation, personally I would just play on console. The controller is natively supported, and bungie doesn't have to worry about any additional over head. But that is my opinion.

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    • The problem is not aim assist. The problem is using m&k controller emulators to spoof a m&k setup to be shown as a controller, which is definitely cheating on the pc, no debate. There are a few ways this can be resolved on pc. 1. Remove AA in pvp 2. AA only lobbies 3. Detect the use of AA m&k setups and auto ban. That last can be done through the use of blizzards warden.

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      • Edited by Forty0ne: 9/2/2017 3:30:08 AM
        I agree with your argument but to be honest removing it would be a all around simpler and easier solution. Using overwatch as an example it was resolved right away by removing AA. The complaint of it being fair isn't even an issue. Less to balance in the future and it does complicate the topic of esport (not my thing but it does exist). Side note this only an issue in the pvp community so I'm sure they can come a compromise where it only works in pve

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        • boo hoo. If you are disabled you cant expect everything to cater to your needs, it's your problem. I have a hand injury but I don't whinge about it and tell game developers to fix their game for me.

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          • Doesn't matter. Let them have their aim assist. Anyone who is good at CS or Overwatch is just gonna shit on these kids.

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            • They should suck it up, a bit of aim assist shouldn't worry these so called "master race" Or do sense fear....with all the crying I'd say so

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              • Absolutely. This community has a big heart and can easily get past the wanna-be mlg buffoonery of this. Leave Controllers as is.

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                • Edited by TheEvilDice: 9/3/2017 8:14:16 AM
                  Keyboard and mouse can be emulated as a controller to give them essentially built-in, undetectable aim bot, see below: --- Quote --- [i]My entire point is you don't have to buy anything, there is software that does the exact same thing as a XIM without the hardware, for free. There is no barrier to entry for this, simply google keyboard and mouse controller emulation and the first reddit post already has 5-6 pieces of free software that'll do this. It's being played off as not a big issue because it's just limited to XIM users... It's really not, it's a major issue that could get out of hand very easily and very quickly. I do have direct links to software that can do this, and even software on my computer that upon inspection, could be used to do this, I'm not going to provide direct links, or name the software as I don't want to exasperate the situation, but I think the single google search illustrates just how easily this can be done. Edit: In fact, in the hopes that maybe attention gets drawn to this in the month and a half before launch, -blam!- it, I'll start providing links: First: [spoiler]https://github.com/fqlx/XboxKeyboardMouse[/spoiler] Second: [spoiler]http://vjoystick.sourceforge.net/site/ https://github.com/x360ce/x360ce[/spoiler] Third (Not Free, But Very Cheap): [spoiler]http://www.xpadder.com/?lang=english&country=GB[/spoiler] And with the know how, you could even script autohotkey to do this, a bit of software that gets shipped with a lot of pre-built systems, I'm 99% sure this will have already been done, but the script kept private. The only way I can see them getting around this is if they find some way of authenticating official Xbox 360, Xbone and PS4 controllers, but you can all but rule out 360 controllers for that, and I doubt Xbone and PS4 controllers have anything like encrypted serial keys to pass to Windows for authentication...[/i] --- End Quote --- It's saddening that removing it would hurt your ability to play, but simply ignoring this issue would most likely result in you wanting to go back to console anyway after assholes start exploiting this.

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                  • I am in a similar situation, I don't have MS but I do have Carpal Tunnel from years of playing on a Mouse, resting my wrists on anything for more than 10-30 minutes gets painful but I can use controllers with back paddles like the Xbox Elite or Scufs for hours and feel no discomfort. I am looking forward to this game coming to PC so much after spending three years on Xbone that I built a new PC just to play with the uncapped frames and better resolution. If they take aim assist away I'll be forced to play it on console again and that just feels like the worst.

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                  • Another pleb trying to keep controllers for PC! Why are some people so stupid?

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                    • Dumbass, people can abuse this and trick the game into thinking a mouse and a keyboard are a controller. That way the noobs that need hacks to play can use a mouse and keyboard with aim assist. This would give them a HUGE advantage and it would be gamebreaking.

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                      • Any form of AA is cheating regardless of input devices and can't be in any form of competitive mode.

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                        Or just play on PS4...

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                        • pve NP pvp no way has to go

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                          • sry but your wqrong the aa is incredibly strong atm and takes much of the skill out of playing. im sorry your dissabled but that doesnt mean you should get to play better than everyone else. AA in this game needs to at the very least be nerfed but in pvp it should be removed. if you are having that much problem move to ps4 where everyone uses controller.

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                            • Edited by warlockDk: 9/2/2017 1:39:58 PM
                              Guess you have to get it for a consol then. AA NEED'S to GO OR Controllers need's to be removed from the PC version

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                              • Edited by Yama: 9/2/2017 9:30:59 AM
                                I don't think PC players will accept AA for as long as it can be easily abused with software or hardware spoofing. Bungie will probably just split PVP lobbies. AA users get into one, non AA user the other.

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                                • I can understand that players with zero skills need aim assist! 😂😂😂 Every K + M user will use XIM lol!

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                                • I want the option to turn it off for consoles.

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                                • Edited by jagerx: 9/2/2017 4:05:50 PM
                                  Controllers have, and need, aim assist. Mice have a profile that has ZERO recoil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUKq9YUb7xc&feature=youtu.be Seems like the whiners like to forget this fact. Ultimately, how many people do you really think are abusing AA with a mouse? In truth, no competent PC FPS player needs AA or even wants it for that matter. A no recoil profile with a mouse should be an absolutely superior profile. The reality is this. Bunch of guys come over to PC expecting to crush players with a mouse but it turns out they just suck. They're simply not good with it. And the problem can't possibly be their lack of skill, it must be hacks instead. Meanwhile competent FPS players who are used to MUCH faster games WITH recoil are absolutely dominating in the crucible without auto aim or recoil on their mouse profiles.

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                                • Leave controllers as is. Remove AA for a minute after KB/M detection, even if controller is not plugged in. Have no AA without a controller plugged in.

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                                • Agreed. Most people who complain about the aim-assist are fresh-off-the-boat PC gamers, and don't understand what playing Destiny with a controller is like. These are the same people who want everything they do to be a competition (maybe they're compensating), and want every competitive edge possible. I hope for yours, and other's sakes that they keep it.

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                                  • Agreed OP: AA is fine as it is, the lazer KB+M recoil on SMGs...well that's just as unfair if you ask me. Source: PC Gamer since 1984.

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