[quote]These were the first words spoken by Luke Smith, and the first sign of bad things to come for actual Destiny players.[/quote] While I'm a fan of certain things which have been fixed from D1 and not liking what I am seeing being limited to things like crucible, ect..... being a negative nancy with statements like that is something I disagree with. No one wants to listen to people make your statements OP. Being negative and putting things up like that is something from mid 20's to low 10's age groups and none of it is helping an argument besides sounding childish. To put the question more bluntly: What would have been a more positive message for them to have said? Why is it you and other negative nancies specifically target people simply explaining their motivations behind things? Did you fail to learn that any and all skeptics out there is everyone and no one? How? Because absolutely no one wants to hear negative statements all the time. Do you? [quote]Feeling insulted yet? Luke Smith didn't think that we understood the principles behind Destiny 1's PvP and that making the maps smaller, with less players and forcing weak primary weapons into our hands somehow made it "easier to understand".[/quote] You feel insulted by that? I would tell you man to man not to be so dramatic or emotional about this. Sooner or later you will understand that things like this is about a lot of factors like: Why do other games create a sense of mastery in the first place? Why do other multiplayer games make it so there is similar applications for it's players across the board? Why do player outreach programs specifically say they don't like player against player because of the complexity of knowing which guns to use and lack of variety or ANY reason out there? When you get older, you will understand these are called social experiments. They are experiments because you, others, and I have not tried them out yet. We have not been made accustomed to them yet. And yes, you learn to accept that it is an entire multiplayer framework at play which they do NOT have the time to overhaul and redo from scratch. You need to be clear about the activities you want, unchanged, and you better hope it is popular enough to be noticed because that is the issue at hand. They had 1, 2, or 3 years to build Destiny 2 and we got what we got now. [quote]Oh boy.... bad sign? Stay with me here....[/quote] There's nothing wrong with explaining one kid plays certain activities and another plays other activities. [quote]LOL? Team shooting as a mastery technique? LOL again. He waits for applause, people don't know that this is time to applause. Its awkward.[/quote] Chuckling at you right now. Your in for a rude awakening later in life kiddo. Very rude and you will probably get very emotional about it considering your lack of maturity in all this. Lesson to learn for you: Never attack someone online for something they say on a video when it comes fro a developer, explaining what is going on, and why they did things. Why? Because the consequences of your actions will lead to worse actions down the road. Every time you do it. The "idea" behind professionalism is the adult who works? Needs it all the time. It's never switched off. If you swing for someone, your the guilty party and certain people will simply shrug you off as the 10 year old you sound like... or be like me and grin at you because your anything, but noteworthy. Eventually? You'll be written up as part of "that troll group" wherein people wish you never had the right to voice your concerns because you yourself are not worth the expenditure. Again, do not run this course. It has never, and will never, end well for those who are looking for answers, get said answers, and then see childish remarks specifically targeting individuals solely because you found a statement funny and wanted to use that to call question to someone's integrity. Sorry, but that is another hallmark of those who should ideally stay silenced. [quote]After playing this Beta, most of us know that its completely false.[/quote] That's your opinion. I'm no negative nancy, but I found positive things I liked and negative things I didn't like in the beta. Which is why my pre-order, same as most pre-orders, are still there and probably got more newcomers to pre-order. [quote]Still trying to figure out where i am going with this? Sorry, but there's more to address first.[/quote] It's very simple kiddo: Your whining about things you don't like (ok, fair enough). You are also being a negative nancy. And you are saying you don't respect people while being overly dramatic about it. Sorry for you only because after this little rant of yours you will probably be muted for failing to be respectful. [quote]Oh and that "watchable" bit? That's code word for we're trying super hard to make this an Esport[/quote] And what is so wrong with an eSport? Since you want to make a game more competitive, would you not want to do that? Or would you rather have 20 or so ability cooldowns like WoW does and force raids/PvP to become a massive WTF killed me zone? [quote]Holy mother of god.... did i hear that right? yup.[/quote] *see overly dramatic comment above* [quote]its done FOR KIDS. Its done for CASUALS[/quote] Competitive shooters in the early 2000's and the later 90's know this formula really well kiddo: Simplicity is what keeps a game going. Complexity is what kills it. Good luck figuring out what it means to be casual from competitive or when you are a combination of both.