Hey uh there aren't any other forums I can ask this soooo are the new things confirmed for the beta the only things we CAN play in the beta?

Marriage has been around for a long ass time, longer than Christianity or Islam or Judaism. I myself am gay and plan to get married, I practice a religion too and want to get married in a place of worship.

Modern Day Sodom and Gamorah

You can also marry through law, rather than religion. That basically means that instead of being married under the Abrahamic God, you'd be married under the government.

Basically they only wanna get married to get benefits. Though seriously it's still contradictory. Marriage as a whole for non-believers of any religion where marriage is thing is contradictory. Oh well, i don't know whether or not i wanna get married as i only see it as a title. I wouldn't need the benefits myself.

From a Christian standpoint, gay marriage is pretty much like selling your soul.

Damn 6 reasons and love isnt even one of them? Shit. The struggle is real. Im done lol

"Being against gay marriage is like me being on a diet, so you can't eat that donut."

Why does it bother you if it dont affect your life?

Same for non religious straight people, what are we actualy getting out of this? Seems to be more of a security thing for chicks.

People are gay because of the fluoride. [spoiler]pls no ban[/spoiler]

Other than all the legal privileges and assurances with marriage that have already been mentioned on this thread (good job by the way people) there are also social aspects to consider. The title of marriage and being able to call yourself married is something they have also been fighting for. To say you are married shows commitment and status socially. So yes besides the legal applications such as alimony or inheritance or things like adoption they were also fighting for the social aspects as well. Calling yourself married vs calling yourself a couple have very different connotations of commitment to others around you. However i have had two major problems with the gay community on the marriage issue and one problem after the ruling by the Supreme Court on marriage. (Important to note that not all gays have been apart of this but there is a noticeable amount in the community.) 1. The first big issue was that they never proposed their own set of qualifications for marriage and rejected any new ideas to still classify them as the same, with all the same rights, but not step into the territory of religious institutions. What do i mean by this? Pastors, Rabbi's, and Imams can be certified by the government to act as official witnesses to marriages. In many states before the ruling you did not have to be recognized by the religious officials alone and could go straight to the state to be legally married. (My aunt and her husband are this way because they are basically atheist). The issue was the recognition of gays as legitimate couples by the states. However instead of trying to get the states to recognize unions and propose new qualifications for marriage and marriage considerations they instead fought a legal battle to be considered the same as religious couples. This in turn has led some to pursue an even more warped form of representation by forcing religions to not only accept their status of marriage but officiate it. Ex. Calling your marriage a union and still receiving all legal representation for marriage. Many gays were venomously opposed to this as they saw it as "not equal". But instead of proposing their own they wanted the title that religious institutions bestowed instead. 2. There have been several cases since the marriage ruling that have involved certain members of the gay community forcing religious officials (primarily christian or catholic) to marry gay couples. It was not enough to have the state officials recognize the marriage, they had to make pastors officiate the marriage. And because the pastors are certified by the state to officiate marriages if they decline to marry a gay couple they lose their "license", for a lack of the proper term, and cannot marry any other individuals now that the laws recognize gay marriages. Now again not many in the gay community have pushed this but some have and have forced pastors to officiate their wedding or lose their ability to marry people in the future. This is where the church has been backed into a corner if asked to do a wedding for a gay couple. If they refuse legal action follows with the loss of their status as marriage officials by the state because gays are considered in the exact same category as religious couples. While i have no problems with the gay community wanting marriage, especially for legal benefits, i am baffled by one thing after the Supreme Court ruling. What are they still fighting for and marching for? What rights or privileges are they screaming for at rallies that they dont have compared to everyone else? Now that their marriages are recognized there is not a single "right" or privilege that they are denied legally, in every aspect under the law they are the same as anyone else. This also goes for other groups who march for equality when it already exists. During the 5K march in my state recently i asked both my gay childhood friend and a gym partner why they were going and what was the purpose of the march. Both answered about the same "to support my gay friends, show my pride and for equality." But neither could answer to the purpose of the march. I asked them what law they were marching against or what bill they were marching for and neither could answer. Legally they have equality now truly so you would think their marches would not be important in order to enact the change they already received. This is something that has baffled me and has led to a fundamental question in my mind. If achieving equality does not end their fights, protests, marches, and demonstrations then what will? Will they never consider themselves equal no matter what happens?