The ttk is slow and when I say slow I mean SLOWWWWW.
If you hadn't noticed, the pulse rifle does 21 to the head and seems to shoot slower than a hawksaw. That means you can't 3 burst guardians even with all crits.
On top of that, when you look at some of the hand cannons shown, one of them does 40+20 when you hit crits (I'm assuming the +20 is elemental damage)
That's a whopping total of 60 damage. Meaning, at best you are getting 4 hit kills which will likely require 3 headshots.....
It takes 3 melees to kill.....
Nades seem to suck....
Movement seems toned down....
And defensive abilities like the striker shield, Warnock rift and hunter dash just slow everything down further.
ALSO what's the deal with power ammo? Limiting power/special ammo to the point where you can MAYBE have enough time to get 1 kill with it in the new countdown mode?
Goodbye montages, good bye 1v2,3 or 4 clutches.
And dear Lord, am i the only person who thinks this game looks more like overwatch than destiny? The sound design, the time to kill, the map design, and game mode design?
Good job bungle.... you took a unique game that just needed some polishing and instea smashed it into the mold of whatever successful game you could find.
We wanted a story, we wanted solid connections, and most importantly we wanted to feel powerful. For myself, and many others, the abilities and OP space magic brought us to this game. Good job taking that away.
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Edited by StiLL ELeVaTiOn: 10/9/2017 3:42:31 AMBest pvp of all time was halo 3. The teamshot ttk kill sniping everybody had fair even weapons minus rocket timer. Best call outs. The halo 3 pvp system was the greatest and unmatched for an even and fair expirience. When they started to make perks is when pvp was destroyed. Its hard to argue weather opportunitist vs skilled players is the route to go. The communication on all platforms is borish at best we have too many snowflakes playing mature rated games reporting for being called dumb. Something tells me the enforcement team at xbox need a roughing up because they too are snowflake chumps. Surprised no one has a lawsuit against game ownership in which you are only allowed to play a game online that you purchased the rights to. Anyhow for the kids against snipers you are all chump no good scum that ruined yr one destiny and im taking your moms out for dinner all of them. shes buying to by the way and also by this time tommarrow when i walk through the door with your mothers lipstick on my collar when your dad and you look in awe as you both relise what a real man looks like ill be grounding you and dismissing your fathers from his stay at home wife duties. Yes "it hurts it stings its in your face."
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This person was a visionary called way before it came this is what it is. How much skill is there in shooting some one your teammate is shooting and never getting into 1v1s cause it opens you up to getting killed. Always find a teammate and in the odd chance it spawns you alone take a knee & sneak to the closest teammate cause you ain't got an Ice cubes chance in hell of staying alive on your own.
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Well you hit the nail on the head. Everything you said is true...theres no skill gap. The pvp is trash. Everybody hugging each other with scouts and autos at head level making no plays. Just trade shots until someone gets a pick. Game is garbage.
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Edited by zJDz: 5/25/2017 9:29:08 PMWe won't really know until the beta is out and even then they might change stuff before the game launches. Even then destiny one has had so many changes to weapon damage it is likely D2 will suffer the same fate.
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There using the equivalent of blues so the videos didn't show meta weapons. We'll figure that out. Increased melded for a kill promotes gunplay.
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A few good points I gotta admit....
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Seems to me that you're more upset you can't run around with your nades/melee oneshotting everybody
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Your post looks like garbage, and here's why: You just spent several paragraphs trashing something you've only seen played in a preview, for a few brief moments. You've NO idea what the game is going to feel like in your hands, you're making a series of guesses and that's all they are. Play the damn game once and then tell me if it does or does not suck. Making your mind up in May just tells me you don't have an open mind about any of this.
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In D2 your Gunskill will be the determining factor to be successful. Most players have an awful primary shot and now they are scared that they won't be able to compete. Having no 1 shot ability next to your super is the best thing they did there.
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I do agree, crucible will be slower and more tactical, two things that crucible never ever was.
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Nah it's better than this ability spamming game that is the crucible
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Edited by Logic Ronin: 5/22/2017 3:59:09 PMI fervently disagree with the OP. In Halo 3, if a guy got the drop on me, I could jump, spin, bounce a frag, take a few shots and go for cover. The engagements were back and forth affairs. In COD, an enemy saw you first, pop-pop, you died. Suspense was gone. The thrill of survival was erased before it could manifest because of near instant kill times. Destiny became that, only with shotguns and snipes and supers. Not fun. I applaud Bungie's decision to increase time-to-kill rates. Protracted team engagements will be far more tactical, hopefully ending shotgun and super spamming. And if this is because of Overwatch's influence, all the better. Team Kills actually mean something over at the Blizzard camp.
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Edited by ferial56: 5/24/2017 5:33:39 PMSo here's what I got from your post because TL,DR. Destiny PVP is task because: No more montages Slow kill times Pulse rifles can't three burst people Looks like overwatch Takes three melees to kill a full health player And grenades suck even though there all the same
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If they are leaning more towards team shooting then they need to get rid of kill/death ratio and add assisted kill/let down because my teammates suck ratio.
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They gave guardians more healt. That is all...
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I think slow ttk is better. It's more of a skill fight rather than who sees who first. If some guy sees me first, if I'm better than him, I'll be able to use my hard earned skills turn the tide. So he should use his convenient teammates to help him out. As will I. The game is based on teamwork in pve and pvp alike. Focusing on this was a good move imo.
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Lower time to kill is better. Being stuck in the face by a Hail Mary panic grenade throw isn't fun.
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I am so happy I only play PVE, just hope the raids are harder then in D1.
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I don't see why any of this is a problem.
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Yeah i agree, it looks like they took everything fun about D1 away. Tons of people will still buy and play it, I'll just stick to D1 as long as it's supported.
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I'm very happy with the new direction for pvp. Slower ttk is a good thing
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This is meant to make the crucible more team based. If you want faster kill times... [spoiler]go play COD[/spoiler]
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Also just imagine the primary montages that might appear with submachine guns and autos. Destroy one dude with a mag of submachine gun, swap to auto, waste two dudes with that, toss a nade, reload/dash around the corner to reload submachine gun then immediately pop back out again to waste another guy, then pop a super and wipe out a couple others...It'll be dope.
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Oh lord! There's been an hours reveal. A single hour. In a game that isn't finished yet. Can we stop all the dramatic stuff now ?.
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You're basing your opinion on the reveal. GG
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Is.....is this sarcasm