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Edited by JzstNo:
5/7/2017 11:17:58 AM
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Petition to change Trials of Osiris in Destiny 2
As everyone is well aware trials has been a major influence in nerfs and buffs. I think the majority of the playerbase doesn't like trials or play it anymore. It was fun when it first came out and the games you get matched with are random people. Now it's complete trash and brings out the worst in people.
I think we can all agree that trials has had a negative impact on the game. So I say for destiny 2 we remove it and replace it with some other competitive pvp.
Edit - wow so many replies and likes. Thanks
Im not saying remove competitive pvp, I love watching sweats and high intensity games on YouTube and twitch, what I'm saying is elimination as a game mode brings out the worst in people and what's fun in being shouted at by team mates for making the wrong play in a important situation in a game of trials. I would like to see a trials game mode of skirmish or zone control, something competitive but not elimination. The top pvp players obviously like trials but that's a small percentage of the player base and the nerfs that affect PVE because of trials are ruining the game. Look at special ammo for example
Edit 2 cosmo replied. I'm done
Edit 3 to all the people saying trials should stay. I agree, the concept of trials of osiris should stay and it's good to have a competitive game mode that makes people want to try their best. What Im saying is the state that trials is in has caused a lot of messed up stuff in pve.
1) skorri nerf - in a raid we now have to wait double the time to get our supers before a boss
2) special ammo is all messed up
3) constant nerfs of weapons
The post was made with a view to change the way trials of osiris is like have either a skirmish, zone control, salvage or capture the flag sort of game where it's not just who can throw their sticky first and then jump the hell out of there. It's icebreaker/wormwood city at the moment.
Trials was good in HOW and I went to the Lighthouse 3x a week most weeks but now it has definitely declined and seems like a lot of people are not enjoying it as it is right now.
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[quote]Even though I used to love trials and have gone flawless almost 50 times, I can't help but agree that's it's had only detrimental effects on the game.
The nerfs attempted to 'balance' trials have seriously harmed pvp and pve. At no point ever were snipers a problem in pvp. Yet they received dozens of nerfs to bring them down for trials. This destroyed them in pvp and seriously harmed them in pve. It lead to the shotgun dominance we saw at the beginning of year 3. Which then lead to the nerf that completely destroyed their competitive viability I pve, pvp and trials.
The skorris nerf clearly aimed at trials hurt pve in the worst way. The Templar challenge mode is made drastically easier when you launch the encounter with full supers. The skorris nerf doubled the amount of time we had to wait for the Titan to get their bubble back.
Either trials need to be removed. Or all game modes need to be balanced separately.[/quote]
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#Destiny
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I actually don't agree with this. As many already know, I am not nearly as consistent a pvp person ever since I got my first visit to the lighthouse in year 3 just a few weeks ago. But while it was fun? I think trials, compared to any other competitive mode, does not require weapon balancing or special ammo. I think it needs innovation really. Back during halo:reach days, I had a theory thread where a map, with flips, switches, and timer functions could effectively modify windows of opportunity of a map. A simple door closing, another opening, a switch flipped in one area creating a cascade of water which blurs a sniper scope window. Things along those lines. One which promotes different play styles on the same map. Besides that... I'm almost dead certain we will be seeing some developer interview acknowledge what they did wrong with specials across the board really. I am sure specials will be useful in destiny 2 as a result. Leave trials be. Make it a little more innovative... and you'll probably never see people stop playing it really.
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Agreed
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I really don't know on this one as it is such a pro and con thing. Like I totally feel where both sides are coming from
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3 Replies[quote]I think we can all agree that trials has had a negative impact on the game.[/quote] Trials is the only reason I continue to play this stale turd of a game.
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5 RepliesWho are you to say "I think we can all agree it's had a negative impact on the game"? Whats makes you think you can speak for everyone? Even though the state of the crucible is terrible right now, trials is the only thing that has kept this game alive for the past 1.5 years.
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5 RepliesStop trying to strong arm Bungie into doing things please. I don't even play trials. No. Let them do what they want. Posts like this ruined the game. Not trials.
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1 ReplyJesus lord. Do this kids not know we can see there stats. Y1 14 visits to the lighthouse. Y2 zero. Y3 two visits. I see a pattern here. Just like all the other players that give a million excuses. [spoiler]News flash ToO doesn't suck. People either just got better or you got worse at the game. Deal with it. [/spoiler]
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39 RepliesEdited by Provincial_Lyf3: 5/5/2017 7:34:55 PMMajority of you are dumb AF, no wonder trump is our president. Trials is not competitive in any way. Carries, account recoveries, and unstable connection doesn't define competition.
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Trials are not the problem. The problem imo is the 'solutions' chosen to respond to the constant nerf calls and their implementation.
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I don't really know when trials have caused any nerfs except skorri, they came from the whole pvp. Trials is nowadays messed up because there is no special ammo to make bigger plays. And elimination is NOT the mosr competitive gamemode. It all comes down to grenades, melees, supers. Maybe a few weapon kills. I hope in Destiny 2 we get real ranked/social playlists so we can play how we want. Either take it easy or go full on tryhard. Right now we can't do that.
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Edited by john274orange: 5/6/2017 5:32:44 AMTrials is trash because its supposed to be the pvp equivalence of a pve raid, but the trials shit is so overpowered its stupid, compare all raid weapons to trails weapons and trials weapons normally have god rolls and raid weapons are dog shit. Just look at the appearance of wrath weapons with trials weapons with just looks, ones a reskin the others a new skin, seems like they focus on pvp more then pve. Its unbalanced also pvp before trials was fun but now people are try hards and use bullshit broken weapons always, and the pvp shit has made weapons and classes unbalanced, the games slowly ending up like World o Warcraft, where classes and sub classes are higher and lower in power instead of it being balanced, I hate basically being told which class to play from devs and not having the option to play what I want. Just look at warlocks, has the most nerfs and people still say it needs to be nerfed because of pvp and trials, the melee doesn't do any damage in pve or pvp, the grenades are glitchy shit, and the super animations take way to long, and locks don't have a over shield anymore, but titans do and hunters have health recovery skills, warlocks have nothing. People also constantly cheat in pvp, they lag the game because they need that high from always winning, also red bar people shouldn't be able to play the game, its impossible to play pvp when someone is lagging the matches.
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It's a toxic as the ghallahorn was in yr1 with every raid post having "must have ghally". Mold trials into something tied but not effecting THE REST OF THE GAME!
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1 ReplySigned, even tho I'm not buying
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235 up votes! People really love ToO ):)
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ELO is what ruined Trials.
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Only doable with a carry for me, got to 8-1 so not flawless, i much prefer iron banner. Its easier to get a raid done than get a streamer to carry me, and even then it has had too much of an impact on the rest of the game in terma of pvp nerfs and buffs (thanks for ruining thorn and TLW to name a few)....also i just want the damn grimoire!
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2 RepliesI think PvP and PvP need to be [b] SEPARATE.[/b] I hate when a PvP nerf makes an ok gun horrible in pve.
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4 RepliesHehe, these sad -blam!-s complaining about a game mode In a video game x) go outside.
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I mean. It's not mandatory that you play it.
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5 RepliesThis is a genuine question but do people think trials contributed to the toxic forum. In year 1 it was a love fest, sharing ideas, wanting to help, talking about the game etc. now since the introduction of trials the mentality has changed, us vs them, your kd isn't good enough to make a comment on pvp, you don't deserve to go the lighthouse. Guys that can't get to the lighthouse complain, those who can get to the lighthouse complain etc.
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I imagine the sequel will be really fun. That said, if they don't absolutely 100% separate pve and pvp then I'll have to sit this one out. It was just a bummer watching more and more pvp nerfs hammer pve over the years. Nerf 2.0, along w the infamous deej quote (paraphrasing) "we respect your time invested....... nothing left in the past etc etc" and sure enough TTK comes out w a whopper of a nerf, 2 raids are made pointless and all the FUN guns are left behind. The nerf was more the reason but ttk came out and i stoppes playing raids and NF like i used to do almost weekly. So here's hoping they separate the nerfs amd buffs. Hope they do stock loadouts for pvp. No one could say it's unfair. Kill 2 birds w one stone. Trials certainly was a massive reason for most nerfs but, again, as long as it's separate I'm fine w whatever pvp they wanna put in the game.
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It's not gonna happen seeing as most of the game is done by now and the first DLC is gonna be about Osiris, but I wouldn't cry if Trials was never seen again.
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Believe it or not, our complaints had very little to do with the nerfs and buffs. And regardless of game mode, people are going to use their assets to the fullest of their ability no matter what. Removing popular content would do nothing but decrease the player base. What people really mean when they say they want to get rid of trials, whether they know it or not, is that they want pve and pvp balancing to be separate.
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Edited by Phoenix: 5/6/2017 1:44:51 AMJust separate PvE and PvP changes, seriously. That's all I really want for things to actually be balanced in both game modes. Memory of Silimar is an example of Bungie showing this, but then they are unwilling to separate the changes done to both game modes, because they want both modes to "feel the same." >_>
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Edited by SpawnOfTRON: 5/6/2017 3:20:30 AMThis post is one of the best examples of TROLL bait I've seen in a long time. Bravo!!!
