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5/2/2017 7:37:17 PM
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Is The Traveler Evil?
I have a theory that the Traveler is Evil to backup my theory, The Darkness follows the Traveler where ever it goes, also I think the Traveler is a Beacon for the Darkness.
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1 ReplyTraveller caused the collapse.
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I read that as Bacon of darkness. Lol
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What is your theory? I too have considered this, but in a different form, this darkness is not a true being but a byproduct of the vex and their god, IT is the embodied form of change and those that can't adapted are wiped from existence. The traveler brings the golden age, look at the 1920's, great profit is always followed great loss so the darkness is the shadow, no pun intended, of the traveler. The vex are also a byproduct of the traveler in that they are great technology, the traveler's golden age in one of the civilizations developed the vex, but with their time traveling ability, they changed they're creation to long in the past to stop destruction of their factories.
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This again?
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11 RepliesEdited by Man at Arms: 5/4/2017 1:40:06 AMYes, btw we are the darkness.
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Evil? No. Flat? Yes.
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6 RepliesEdited by dnrobs: 5/3/2017 10:03:27 PMNo,it's white. Everyone knows evils black.
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1 ReplyWell Rasputin doesn't help us cause he don't trust the traveler soooooo
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Not evil. Selfish.
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1 ReplyWatch game theory and the lorists
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This theory just shows you don't read the lore dear. The darkness wants to destroy the traveller, it sets its minions after it. And the traveller isn't evil, but isn't good. It wants balance in the universe, but knows others have to die before it when times get rough.
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Great, well thought out, developed theory.
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Edited by Mommy's little VoGchamp: 5/3/2017 9:57:30 PMWhat kind of back-a[i]s[/i]swards logic are you using? If something follows something else, then the two things must be the same? [spoiler]Wut?[/spoiler]
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Is the Traveler evil? Short answer: No. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Anyone who forms his own Insurance Company (Traveler's) is evil.
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I remember when the game came out the board had a few of these topics where people theorized that the Traveler was actually evil.
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You do realize the Darkness swallows and consumes everything it finds, right? The Traveler is like an arms dealer, giving weapons to those who have none so they have a chance to fight the Darkness. It's trying to give hope to where there would be none. Like the Fallen at one point... Think about it, why would a beacon or servant or whatever of the Darkness arm civilizations so much? Just for fun? It's detrimental and the Darkness would NEVER give a weaker force or species a chance at life that it desired to devour. The Hive are the embodiment of that very nature. No mercy, no pardon, no exception. You want to live? You better kill your attacker and then dominate thereafter. Even within the Hive these are the rules of life.
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24 RepliesEdited by kellygreen45: 5/2/2017 8:56:32 PMDefine "evil"? As most people define "evil", the Traveller is clearly not evil. But then---as I suspect---It is not truly what most people would define as "Good". In my opinion, the Darkness and The Traveller are opposing FORCES that INTERSECT with human definitions of Good and Evil but are not superimposable on those definitions. Evil---as Oryx correctly surmises----is a SOCIAL construct. It defines a partern of destructive, aggressive, and exploitative behavior WITHIN a framework of social relationships and social values....and that pattern being chosen WILLINGLY. IOW, a Tiger isn't being "evil" when it kills and eats your friend. Its simply acting according to its instincts and its nature...and doing what it needs to survive as an individual creature. OTOH, It was an evil act when humans nearly hunted American Bison (buffalo) to extinction. Simply to get rich selling its furs. At points people were simply shooting them, stripping their fur and leaving them their carcasses to rot in the Sun. Destroyed in a orgy of greed that was not justifiable on any basis of individual need. Just "My wish to be wealthy, takes precedence of their right to exist." The Darkness is clearly a force of destruction, Chaos, aggression...and probably "creative destruction" (evolution and "perfection of form" through strife and conflict). Most (healthy) people see such actions as "evil". Because it causes unnecessary pain, suffering and destruction. So of the two forces, The Darkness (which just annihilates whole worlds and whole species to serve its self and its agenda) is most closely aligned with Human/Supernatural Evil. The Traveller (and the Light) is most likely a force of Order, creation, and "creative construction" (evolution and perfection of form through variety and increasing complexity and sophiscation). Most people tend to see this as "good". Because these are the forces we tend to associate with the Creator Gods of our various religions. But while it intersects with what we consider good...it doesn't overlap with it. As evidence by The Traveller's willingness to abandon the Eliksni to be be destroyed by the Hive and the Darkness....and its probable intent to do the same to us until Rasputin intervened to cripple it and force it to stay and construct a defense against the Darkness. When you deal with The Traveler what is "good" and what is "evil" starts to be become very situational...and very dependant upon your point of view. At the end of the day, IMO, what we I suspect will happen is that we''ll eventually realize that the two are locked in a struggle where its not really in our (human) interests for either side to win outright. ...and that what is in OUR interests is a BALANCE between the two.
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So because a dog followed home I'm now a dog?
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1 ReplyRead this, it completely covers the topic and it gives a lot of important information and facts from grimoire https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/222470566/0/0
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Stop victim blaming.
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4 Repliesno. just like how she wasn't last week. or the week after that. or the one after that. while the Traveler is followed by the Hive she does not lead it purposefully.
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Yes, in the original story, the traveler and speaker were meant to be evil. They changed the story when the creative team quit 3 months before release though. If you want more info on it, go watch the video that Game Theory made on it.
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5 RepliesNot true. Read the grimoir.
