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7/3/2010 9:59:15 AM
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Can Drones be infected by the Flood?
Canonically, is it possible for Drones/Buggers/etc to be infected by the Flood?
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I think they can.
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I'm pretty sure they [b]could[/b] be infected, but their ability to fly make it extremely hard for a flood spore to get to one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JABBERWOCK xeno If you remember, the flood does use jackels and grunts as combat forms, see Halo wars and the "Feast of bones" Bungie update.[/quote] First off, the Feast of Bones update displays concept art that never made it to the final product. That means that that concept art didn't become part of the canon. As far as Robt was concerned, Grunts and Jackals went on to serve as raw building blocks for the Gravemind. We know they functioned as Carriers as well. Nowhere in that article, however, does it explicitly say that they (in a game-canon respect) are capable of becoming Combat Forms. Also, I can't remember an instance in [i]Halo Wars[/i] when a Grunt/Jackal squad became infected in such a manner.
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oh I know I stick one flood pure and I blow up my own teammates?!? Then I go on ledgendary and shoot a drone and as soon as that happens I get massacred by the rest of them...
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Technaclly, the flood can infect ANY organsim. But only some of them can be controlled by the flood and used for body mass, and only some of thosse the flood activly uses as invieul forms. For example, the flood Can infect grunts and jackals, but rarly does so as the need for a combat form of them is almost never apparant. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HundredJono Drones don't have enough body mass to be Flood Hosts. So, the Flood just tosses them aside.[/quote] Cite me something and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I know of no source that specifically states this. I find it [i]unlikely[/i] that they can be infected, but it's possible that a congealed mass of them could be used to create a Carrier form or something of the like. The Flood never simply ignore a host, they use it in whatever way they can, which is why Grunts/Jackals are used as Carriers. Drones might have some similar function.[/quote] If you remember, the flood does use jackels and grunts as combat forms, see Halo wars and the "Feast of bones" Bungie update. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan999 The Gravemind is the consciousness of all flood forms. Without it, their actions are really just like a chemical reaction (not literally). Flood forms do no think for themselves. What kind of brain the host has makes no difference. Everything is converted to the flood supercell by the infection process. .[/quote]] We don't know that for certian. The gravemind is like the human brain, it is composed of many small thinking organsims, like the brain is combosed of many neurons. saying indivual flood cannot think would be akin to saying indviul neurons or cells cannot think, which is not currently kown. [Edited on 07.04.2010 1:13 PM PDT]
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Seeing as grunts and jackals can be infected by the flood which means they have enough biomass to be infected Drones must also have the requisite biomass and I have no reason to believe that they can't be infected. I assume we have never seen an infected drone because the flood tend to infect beings that are stronger and use others as biomass to "feed" gravemind's and proto graveminds.
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Oh God. They're bad enough as it is. I can't even imagine a swarm of Flood Drones. [Edited on 07.04.2010 9:41 AM PDT]
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Well I think that drones could be both a carrier and a scout but bungie decided that they would be to hard fight and kill in swarms on levels like the last one so they decided to not put them in. [Edited on 07.04.2010 6:03 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guscon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDYeash937 MkII that johnson had borens syndrome is an ONI coverup. however, the rebels in Ghosts of Onyx claimed that they had civilians with borens syndrome. this implies its existence and also the idea that ONI and the United Rebel Front engineered the exact same name and cause for a fake condition is nothing short of impossible.[/quote]Perhaps it is the condition that is real, while the effect it has on a Flood spore is the doubtful part. Or perhaps the Insurrectionists are using it as a taunt? Only certain sections of ONI know about the Boren's syndrome coverup for the Spartans Is, even Halsey takes it at face value (and her not knowing anything about the Spartan I program is suspicious in itself while I think about it). It could just show that the Insurrectionists are more entrenched in the UNSC than was previously thought.[/quote]i like the way you think. if borens syndrome simply doesnt exist at all, it implies that the URF has much deeper links into ONI than previously feared - it is basically a coded 'give us some dosh and well shut up' moment, if this is true - that they threatened to leak the S-I programme through this. ONI couldnt let that happen, thus the involvement of the SPARTAN Blue Team
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JDYeash937 MkII that johnson had borens syndrome is an ONI coverup. however, the rebels in Ghosts of Onyx claimed that they had civilians with borens syndrome. this implies its existence and also the idea that ONI and the United Rebel Front engineered the exact same name and cause for a fake condition is nothing short of impossible.[/quote]Perhaps it is the condition that is real, while the effect it has on a Flood spore is the doubtful part. Or perhaps the Insurrectionists are using it as a taunt? Only certain sections of ONI know about the Boren's syndrome coverup for the Spartans Is, even Halsey takes it at face value (and her not knowing anything about the Spartan I program is suspicious in itself while I think about it). It could just show that the Insurrectionists are more entrenched in the UNSC than was previously thought.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 Another possible explanation for the Flood's inability to infect the Drones, are the Drones' unique mind. As an insectoid species, it is highly likely that they share (TO some degree) a hive mind of sorts. The Flood would be largely unfamiliar with this type of brain, and would not be able to take control of it, as the signals sent and received would be unlike all other sentient races' own. [/quote] The Gravemind is the consciousness of all flood forms. Without it, their actions are really just like a chemical reaction (not literally). Flood forms do no think for themselves. What kind of brain the host has makes no difference. Everything is converted to the flood supercell by the infection process. According to [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], the host's mind actually still exists separately from the Gravemind. Though this does contradict what I posted above (as you would think that conscious mind would be destroyed along with the physical brain in the infection process), it does not change the fact that the hosts brain plays no role in the actions of the flood.[/quote] However, remember the case of Sgt, Johnson, in which the Flood was unable to convert him due to his "Boren's Syndrome". If the Flood could not assimilate him because his brain wave pattern was different than the average human's, is it not plausiblee that they wouldn't e able to assimilate Drones because of their radically different brain wave patterns?[/quote]The "Boren's Syndrom" is not real. It's an ONI Coverup.[/quote]that johnson had borens syndrome is an ONI coverup. however, the rebels in Ghosts of Onyx claimed that they had civilians with borens syndrome. this implies its existence and also the idea that ONI and the United Rebel Front engineered the exact same name and cause for a fake condition is nothing short of impossible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HundredJono Drones don't have enough body mass to be Flood Hosts. So, the Flood just tosses them aside.[/quote] Cite me something and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I know of no source that specifically states this. I find it [i]unlikely[/i] that they can be infected, but it's possible that a congealed mass of them could be used to create a Carrier form or something of the like. The Flood never simply ignore a host, they use it in whatever way they can, which is why Grunts/Jackals are used as Carriers. Drones might have some similar function.[/quote]could drones become at least a base for a pure form? it makes some sense physiologically when you consider the ranged form which has more semblance to the drones than either than tank form or stalker form. if hunters werent made of a colony of worms each with insufficient biomass to allow it to become a combat form and were instead one creature, id say a hunter could become a tank form.
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Like the Jackles, the drones have a much higher calcium level than other species which prevents then from turning into [url=http://www.freewebs.com/flood_master/Flood-Brain%20Form.jpg]this.[/url] [Edited on 07.04.2010 12:26 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 Another possible explanation for the Flood's inability to infect the Drones, are the Drones' unique mind. As an insectoid species, it is highly likely that they share (TO some degree) a hive mind of sorts. The Flood would be largely unfamiliar with this type of brain, and would not be able to take control of it, as the signals sent and received would be unlike all other sentient races' own. [/quote] The Gravemind is the consciousness of all flood forms. Without it, their actions are really just like a chemical reaction (not literally). Flood forms do no think for themselves. What kind of brain the host has makes no difference. Everything is converted to the flood supercell by the infection process. According to [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], the host's mind actually still exists separately from the Gravemind. Though this does contradict what I posted above (as you would think that conscious mind would be destroyed along with the physical brain in the infection process), it does not change the fact that the hosts brain plays no role in the actions of the flood.[/quote] However, remember the case of Sgt, Johnson, in which the Flood was unable to convert him due to his "Boren's Syndrome". If the Flood could not assimilate him because his brain wave pattern was different than the average human's, is it not plausiblee that they wouldn't e able to assimilate Drones because of their radically different brain wave patterns?[/quote]The "Boren's Syndrom" is not real. It's an ONI Coverup.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 Another possible explanation for the Flood's inability to infect the Drones, are the Drones' unique mind. As an insectoid species, it is highly likely that they share (TO some degree) a hive mind of sorts. The Flood would be largely unfamiliar with this type of brain, and would not be able to take control of it, as the signals sent and received would be unlike all other sentient races' own. [/quote] The Gravemind is the consciousness of all flood forms. Without it, their actions are really just like a chemical reaction (not literally). Flood forms do no think for themselves. What kind of brain the host has makes no difference. Everything is converted to the flood supercell by the infection process. According to [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], the host's mind actually still exists separately from the Gravemind. Though this does contradict what I posted above (as you would think that conscious mind would be destroyed along with the physical brain in the infection process), it does not change the fact that the hosts brain plays no role in the actions of the flood.[/quote] However, remember the case of Sgt, Johnson, in which the Flood was unable to convert him due to his "Boren's Syndrome". If the Flood could not assimilate him because his brain wave pattern was different than the average human's, is it not plausiblee that they wouldn't e able to assimilate Drones because of their radically different brain wave patterns?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 Another possible explanation for the Flood's inability to infect the Drones, are the Drones' unique mind. As an insectoid species, it is highly likely that they share (TO some degree) a hive mind of sorts. The Flood would be largely unfamiliar with this type of brain, and would not be able to take control of it, as the signals sent and received would be unlike all other sentient races' own. [/quote] The Gravemind is the consciousness of all flood forms. Without it, their actions are really just like a chemical reaction (not literally). Flood forms do no think for themselves. What kind of brain the host has makes no difference. Everything is converted to the flood supercell by the infection process. According to [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], the host's mind actually still exists separately from the Gravemind. Though this does contradict what I posted above (as you would think that conscious mind would be destroyed along with the physical brain in the infection process), it does not change the fact that the hosts brain plays no role in the actions of the flood.
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Another possible explanation for the Flood's inability to infect the Drones, are the Drones' unique mind. As an insectoid species, it is highly likely that they share (TO some degree) a hive mind of sorts. The Flood would be largely unfamiliar with this type of brain, and would not be able to take control of it, as the signals sent and received would be unlike all other sentient races' own.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minieinstien there are no flying flood.[/quote] There are. Play [i]Halo Wars[/i], there are flying Flood forms present in some of the Flood-based missions of the game.[/quote]I would never wish upon an enemy a death from the Flood Swarms.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minieinstien there are no flying flood.[/quote] There are. Play [i]Halo Wars[/i], there are flying Flood forms present in some of the Flood-based missions of the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minieinstien In the books it talks about that happening to grunts and jackals and that is why you don't see zombie midgets running around so we can assume that is why there are no flying flood.[/quote] Well, the flood don't just take control of the dead body. They convert it's mass to the flood supercell. Material composed of the flood mass has proven to be quite fragile. So, insect like wings are just not possible. They would not hold up under the stress of the rapid back and forth motion, I imagine. A gliding form could be seen, but there really is no need for one. It just doesn't serve the purposes of the flood.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HundredJono Drones don't have enough body mass to be Flood Hosts. So, the Flood just tosses them aside.[/quote] Cite me something and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I know of no source that specifically states this. I find it [i]unlikely[/i] that they can be infected, but it's possible that a congealed mass of them could be used to create a Carrier form or something of the like. The Flood never simply ignore a host, they use it in whatever way they can, which is why Grunts/Jackals are used as Carriers. Drones might have some similar function.[/quote] In the books it talks about that happening to grunts and jackals and that is why you don't see zombie midgets running around so we can assume that is why there are no flying flood.
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Drones are as big as humans, so I would say yes.
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The Flood has to threaten every sentient species. If we assume that the Forerunner saved the Drones from the Array, as they did with so many other species, then they must have studied them to quite a large degree. If there was any indication that the Drones were somehow unable to be infected by the Flood I imagine it would have been investigated, or at least mentioned. There is of course the possibility that the Forerunner simply didn't have time to study them, or that no Drone ever came into contact with a Flood spore. It's perhaps also possible that the Drones evolved to their current level of sapience / size within the last 100,000 years, and were not originally 'saved' by the Forerunner. It seems likely to me, however, that they [i]are[/i] capable of infection. Plenty of biomass on those guys, when you compare it to the size of a spore :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HundredJono Drones don't have enough body mass to be Flood Hosts. So, the Flood just tosses them aside.[/quote] Cite me something and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I know of no source that specifically states this. I find it [i]unlikely[/i] that they can be infected, but it's possible that a congealed mass of them could be used to create a Carrier form or something of the like. The Flood never simply ignore a host, they use it in whatever way they can, which is why Grunts/Jackals are used as Carriers. Drones might have some similar function.[/quote] Maybe they're just not actually sentient. Honestly it makes a lot of sense.
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It's a shame really, I don't think the drones had a very big part in the Halo series they could have been so much better...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HundredJono Drones don't have enough body mass to be Flood Hosts. So, the Flood just tosses them aside.[/quote] Cite me something and I'll believe you. Otherwise, I know of no source that specifically states this. I find it [i]unlikely[/i] that they can be infected, but it's possible that a congealed mass of them could be used to create a Carrier form or something of the like. The Flood never simply ignore a host, they use it in whatever way they can, which is why Grunts/Jackals are used as Carriers. Drones might have some similar function.
