Although this would be nice it still doesn't fix kids from cheating. I used to play trials all the time year one and have gone flawless multiple times. But now like regular crucible it's full of cheaters and red bar people. Just separate PVE and PVP to have their own dedicated servers. And actually ban people who cheat

Disagree about no radar, no revives and two heavies. I like the special and the moving capture point. Heavy shouldnt exist in pvp. And nerf stickies. Then maybe trials would be competative Edit: This wont get rid of paid carries. Most people could care less if the go flawless so the just wouldnt buy boons

People are going to conplain that they cant do hard mode trials.

You need a ' this is a ridiculous idea' on your poll. If people want to pay for a carry just let them. It's easier to beat a carry than 3 decent players anyway. Account recoveries would still be unaffected and players doing the carries don't complete a card which would make carries even easier.

[quote]I know that I am not the only one who is tired of playing try hards who 5-0 everyone and I also know a good amount of PvP players who would like to see a list for these types of players to play each other. My suggestion is this. [b]1[/b]. When a person goes flawless during the week (on the current character, so they could go flawless 3x a week on the normal list) they are not allowed to play normal mode trials. Instead they are put into a new trials match making list, (Lets call it hard mode trials). This hard mode trials list lets players keep all of their special ammo each round. The rounds are extended. To win the game you must win 7 rounds instead of 5. 2 heavy rounds, R2 and R5, 1 crate per round and crates spawn in at a random point with no counter showing the location. The capture zone moves each round, and captures slower. No scope glint, no radar and no revive. Exotic weapons allowed. Match making based on wins. Sides flip each round. Upon ultimate completion a new chest is available in the lighthouse, this chest would give players a new exotic emblem, armor set would be adept and provide bonuses to the user. Player would get 2 adept weapons. Players who beat this mode get a PvP gain bonus that boosts their rep and experience gained during the week by 25% and would have flaming fists. Twice-three times as much loot as normal mode. [b]2.[/b] For normal trials, all players start with this list during the week. No exotic weapons allowed. Special ammo is lost on death. Matching is random. Capture zone spawns in random spot. Sides flip each round. Heavy round spawns two crates again. Upon flawless completion players get the normal loot they get now. Essentially this box would become a tier 2 chest. All gear is adept. [b]3.[/b] When a player goes flawless, the lighthouse is permanently unlocked as a social space but they can only get the chest there if they go flawless. [b]4.[/b] Lighthouse venders are added, including one to buy your card for the week. Kiosks to reclaim lost gear. [b]5.[/b] [b]In all social areas[/b] there is an area to find a group to play with, just a basic LFG. LFG can show all game mode stats. [b]6.[/b] Lastly Osiris could bring exotic weapons and gear that are built specifically for PvP once a week like Xur does and you trade him passage coins to buy the loot. Comment which Ideas you like and don't like. I think this would get rid of the paid carries from people and make this fun mode more enjoyable for everyone who plays this game and would like to see the lighthouse before D2 comes out. I know my 600+ Friends list on my PS4 would be a lot more active in this game again. Lets start a healthy conversation about what bungie can do to get people playing Destiny again and making trials a fun mode for everyone who is just a casual gamer.[/quote] Words that will never be read

The problem with this is that people who are paid to carry would ride out their Ticket until they are 8-0, then dismantle their Ticket and proceed to play the next Match. That way, they can stay in this 'Normal' Trials, get paid, and still dominate everyone else. There is no solution to paid carries. People just need to develop actual human emotions for Trials. Like just the other day, I asked someone if he would mind helping me go Flawless and he responded by saying "OK. Give me your e-mail and password and I'll do it". How stupid does he think I am? We all just need to stop and use our heads for a second when it comes to Trials.

paid carries would still happen? you just would not run the boons or equivalent and have the carry go flawless and yourself only be on 7 wins. or the person carrying would go reset there card before the final game... no getting around it

Translation #2: I suck at Trials and I'm gonna blame all my inconveniences on streamers.

So... Now we are creating more bussines. You want lighthouse? Pay $xx, xx. You want hard lighthouse? Pay double $xx,xx. I don't know. There will always be people making money of it I guess...

From a trials veteran, this seems too far fetched.

I lost you at Osiris becoming a vendor

Certian aspects of this will never work.

Problem with getting rid of flawless people is this: say me and a friend carry one guy to 8 wins. Me and my friend throw away our cards and get new ones. Now we are back to zero wins and can continue the carry.[spoiler] I think once you go flawless ever you should be in a new list of players[/spoiler]

I whole heartedly agree that those who have been flawless 80 times should not be allowed to play against this who have never been, but what your describing doesn't fix that. This system still rewards those who pay for carries or use lag or whatever it may be to go flawless by now letting them go flawless twice and the second one being even better than the first. The best solution would just be to have people who have already been flawless that week be put into a flawless only que but not give them any more rewards. The only reason to keep doing trials after going flawless is bounties or to carry someone, and to carry someone is giving them an unfair advantage, whether that is because they paid or it is irrelevant.

Your first explanation really shows why this post would actually not work and here's why eventually throughout the week there would be no one left to actually compete in the normal tier of Trials of Osiris. People that like to play Trials of Osiris even after getting to the lighthouse provide new players tried to get to the lighthouse competition. That's the whole point of Trials of Osiris it's kind of like playing King of the Hill. Why does no one ever get this concept.

Sound like a good idea foe d2 nad we would get to meet osiris