Insanity: completing the same action repeatedly and expecting different/better results Definitely no garuntee, but putting together a team of guardians that have gotten thru VoG challenge once makes it easier. However, the alternative "come one, come all" approach people want on lfg is close enough to the definition of insanity that it's just not worth the hassle. In other words, quit your bitching and make your own group if you don't like the requirements of others.