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Opening NAT for Dummies 2: Pimp Out Your Xbox Live for Halo Reach!
EDIT: i dont reply to pms, if i did i'd be a full time volunteer. This was designed to be a generalised, simple guide and it has achieved that if the thousands of appreciative comments are to be believed. It you're a kid it's fine to ask for dad's help with this. [b]If you're having problems have a go fixing it by using great resources like the FAQ in the third post (which summarises the 60 pages of help given here) and portforward.com[/b], the ultimate networking destination. Exotic queries/routers can be answered/troubleshot by wikipedia and google. (search for " 'troubleshooting'") If all else fails you are welcome to leave a detailed description of your problem in the thread, though I stress googling your query will usually give you an answer instantly.
Hey Bungie.net Member. Master Chef SC here. Keep the credit to me and you can put this guide anywhere.
This is all about allowing everyone to directly connect to you in games like Halo Reach, so you don't have to settle for the scraps of Matchmaking. AKA Open NAT. You will not be vulnerable to hackers since you will only be allowing people into programs and games that you select. However, there are some side effects from learning how to get an Open NAT on your computer and xbox:
o - You'll remove any chance of connection problems with friends
o - You'll get better pings in all online computer games, because you can connect to everybody and so have more choice in matchmaking.
o - You'll stream your computer hard drive's videos, pictures and music onto your Xbox without any stuttering.
o - You'll maximise the speed of your peer to peer downloading including MSN file transferring
o - You won't pay an idiot 50 bucks every time something easy goes wrong.
The process is pretty technical but it'll try to explain it so you can understand it and it will pay back in huge dividends. Face it, you're living in an age of computers. Know how to pimp them.
Your Xbox 360's NAT could already be open without you realising. To check if it is, turn on your Xbox 360 and in the dashboard's My Xbox area, scroll right all the way to system settings. Select 'Network Settings.' Then select 'Test Xbox Live Connection.'
The Xbox will run a bunch of tests, the last of which is NAT. It could be Strict, Moderate or Open. [b]If it is Open, the test won't even mention the word NAT.[/b] If so, stop reading this guide (either you have a Xbox live certified router or you have your Xbox directly connected to the modem. Please note that some, including my Xbox live certified router don't do their job of letting xbox live through the firewall). If it reads moderate or strict, then you are ripping yourself off.
To get yourself an open NAT, it's not quite as simple as ticking a box. That's why this essay is here. The first thing you have to do is make your Xbox 360's local IP address 'static.' Then you have to open a back door in the router's software to your Xbox.
If you don't know what a local IP address is, just think of your home network as a neighbourhood of mostly empty houses, labelled 1 through 255. For the vast majority of neighbourhoods like yours, the mailman lives at house 1 (he is the router) and he's the only contact with the outside world, which he accesses through the modem. If your computer, Xbox and laptop don't have a static IP, then they will live in a different house each time they're turned on and so need to tell the mailman where they live to be in contact with the outside world. If your Xbox or Computer has a static IP, they're always in the same house.
The second step is to open ports on your router. It'll make teleporters between the mailman's house and your Xbox's. You can see that if the Xbox is always in a different house then the teleporter that goes to house 5 will only work some of time. Further on, each teleporter, or port opened, only works for one certain type of internet traffic AND can only be set to one device, or house.
This number of the houses is the fourth in an "IP Address." The first three numbers don't ever change for the whole network. Example: 192.168.1.[b]1[/b] or 10.1.1.[b]1[/b]. So change only the last number for different devices on the network, between 1 and 255. Your router will most likely be on 1, but whatever it is on, it will never change.
[b]PART A- STATIC IP[/b]
Your computer and Xbox show a static IP as manually entering in IP settings and a non-static as them being set to automatic.
Now you need to know all the technical numbers with three letter acronyms (you gotta love em) necessary- to get the same IP address everytime. The easiest way to get these numbers is to go to your computer's start menu, click on run, type in "cmd" (for windows 7 users, go to the start menu, click on the box to search for files or folders and type "cmd" and double click on the first result, thanks General Khazard). and then in the black box that pops up type "ipconfig /all". That's ipconfig space slash all. A rush of stuff will appear and you'll feel like a hacker. Look down towards the bottom and [b]write down on paper[/b] your IP Address (aka IPv4), Subnet Mask, Default Gateway and DNS Servers. Any typos here would be tragic so triple check that you have them right. I'll explain what each of these mean:
[b]IP address- [/b] What I was talking about at the end of the introduction. This is your computer's local IP address. For your entire network the first three numbers, say 192.168.1, will be the same. The last identifies to the router what device on the network it is.
[b]Subnet Mask-[/b] Scrambles your IP address from outsiders.
[b]Default Gateway- [/b]The local IP address of your [b]router[/b].
[b] DNS servers- [/b] These are pass codes from your internet service provider. There will most likely be two. The first is called "Preferred/Primary DNS server" and the second is also known as the "Alternate/Secondary DNS server." Please note there may only be one. In this case please make the Secondary DNS the same number as the primary.
Now that we've got these numbers, we can go and make all of the computers and Xboxes that you want to open ports for static.
[b]How to make your Xbox 360's IP address Static:[/b]
Now you are ready to go back to your Xbox 360's dashboard. In My Xbox, scroll right and select system settings, network settings, edit settings. There are two options- IP settings and DNS settings. Go into either, change the setting to manual and then enter all of the codes you have written down on your paper, with one difference. The last digit of the IP address needs to be changed to a number preferably between 50 and 250. Choose your favourite and write it down on the paper as your Xbox's Local IP address. While you're at it choose the numbers of your computer/s too, the houses that they will live in.
If can reconnect to Xbox live, you have successfully made your Xbox IP's static.
[b]Making your computer's IP address Static:[/b]
(For this section, If you don't have WIndows XP or prefer pretty pictures over a wall of text, check [url=http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip.htm] this out[/url])
Go to your computer, click start, control panel, network connections (classic view). You now have some icons that probably say "local area connection" and "wireless network connection." Ignore the "Internet Gateway Internet Connection" icon up further up. You need to select the one of local or wireless or otherwise that you use to connect to the internet. IF you don't know which one it is, go ahead and right click on one and 'disable' it.
If your -blam!- stops downloading and you can't load up Google, it's probably the right one.
Right click on the icon that gives you life, go 'properties', within the 'this connection uses the following items' embedded list scroll down to Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and then click on properties, just a little down and right. You will now see a window similar to how you entered in your codes on your xbox, except its all compact and lacks style.
Here you will find if your IP address is static or roaming. If all the numbers are already filled in, its static and you should right down that computer's fourth number in its local IP address. This is old hat for you isn't it! If no numbers are filled in then do that yourself using all the numbers you wrote down on paper. Type in the DNS, Subnet, Gateway... it's all as easy as shooting a whale in barrel. If you're still connected to the internet then you haven't made any mistakes, because I sure didn't.
[Edited on 01.08.2011 4:54 AM PST]
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ahhh ok lol well my modem doesn't have 4 ethernet connections only 1 and a usb connection. what i have done though was connect the computer to the modem via the usb connection therfore freeing up that ethernet connection, then i directly connected the xbox to that ethernet connection ruling out any interference with the router as it now not connected to anything. i re did the IP address and gateway address (as when connected to the router it was 192.168.0.78 which is now 10.1.1.5 when connected to modem) allocated the DMZ to the xbox's IP and what ya know same problem occurs. i will now check if UPnP and thaat port forwarding method works right now *EDIT just checked if port forward and UPnP works and suprise suprise they dont. i have a slight feeling that the fact that my gateway setting of 10.1.1.1 (which is default) might do something? [Edited on 01.08.2011 8:48 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HELLFIRE4494 A great tutorial Master Chef however when even followed religiously to every single character it still does not resolve my strict NAT settings! Since i have a NAt modem and a NAT router i have applied all the instructions to both machines. The modem is the Siemens SpeedStream-4200 and the router is the D-Link DIR-320. However to clear some space i have successfully made my xbox's IP static and had it connect right through to the wide world of internet. though after that, that's when things start to get hay-wire. My first approach was to do the forward ports and put in ports 53,80,88,1863 and 3074 (1863 was recommended by PortForward.com) to both the modem and router. i turned off UPnP and started the xbox live network connection test. however it said that my NAT settings was still strict! So then i endeavored to turn on DMZ MAKING sure i first turned off the forward ports as they "cancel each other out" redid the test and the same strict result came out. Oh and mind you before i i made the xbox's IP static the modem and router allready had UPnP enabled so that is another reason why i turned UPnP off and did not try that method in the first place. on this setting my NAT setting was moderate BUT NOT OPEN >:( Now i am absolutely clueless as what to do now as iv been trying to fix this NAT issue for well over 12 hours now (no joke)and this absolutely phenomenally huge reply is my last attempt on defeating NAT FOREVER! btw i'd be amazed if anyone actually read this entire reply :O [/quote] Whoa whoa whoa you're doing something I never covered in the guide, having a master and slave router, if what you're implying is true. The 'modem' is a modem/router right? It has 4 Ethernet ports out back? Plug the xbox into that one to simplify the situation and just make the xbox a dmz on that. I'm thinking your 'router' is the wifi emitter. If you wanted to run your xbox through your wi-fi, look up master and slave port forwarding on google. I did, and I gave up on it for this approach.
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A great tutorial Master Chef however when even followed religiously to every single character it still does not resolve my strict NAT settings! Since i have a NAt modem and a NAT router i have applied all the instructions to both machines. The modem is the Siemens SpeedStream-4200 and the router is the D-Link DIR-320. However to clear some space i have successfully made my xbox's IP static and had it connect right through to the wide world of internet. though after that, that's when things start to get hay-wire. My first approach was to do the forward ports and put in ports 53,80,88,1863 and 3074 (1863 was recommended by PortForward.com) to both the modem and router. i turned off UPnP and started the xbox live network connection test. however it said that my NAT settings was still strict! So then i endeavored to turn on DMZ MAKING sure i first turned off the forward ports as they "cancel each other out" redid the test and the same strict result came out. Oh and mind you before i i made the xbox's IP static the modem and router allready had UPnP enabled so that is another reason why i turned UPnP off and did not try that method in the first place. on this setting my NAT setting was moderate BUT NOT OPEN >:( Now i am absolutely clueless as what to do now as iv been trying to fix this NAT issue for well over 12 hours now (no joke)and this absolutely phenomenally huge reply is my last attempt on defeating NAT FOREVER! btw i'd be amazed if anyone actually read this entire reply :O
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] teppei822 I followed the guide exactly, but no luck. I'm having trouble understand what ports to open? I am not a tech guy. Do I put the port numbers in that Master put in the guide (80,88,307,53)? Or do I put the ones I found on PortForward.com, which only had 3? And, I am putting the static IP of my 360 into the Port Forwarding Server IP address box? Or the IP adress of my computer? Or gateway? Sorry, I just suck at this stuff.[/quote] Your xbox's ip and my ports of course!
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I followed the guide exactly, but no luck. I'm having trouble understand what ports to open? I am not a tech guy. Do I put the port numbers in that Master put in the guide (80,88,307,53)? Or do I put the ones I found on PortForward.com, which only had 3? And, I am putting the static IP of my 360 into the Port Forwarding Server IP address box? Or the IP adress of my computer? Or gateway? Sorry, I just suck at this stuff.
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nice thread, but do u have any info on why i have, or how to fix bandwitdh problems? my NAT is open, but my bandwith says warning in the network status. my connection isnt all that bad, but with the realease of the quit ban, me lagging out a whole bunch is begining to anger me.. help anyone?
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrI4mjirxBU]umad[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kage24Neko Does any one know if reach is like halo 3 where if you have x box 360 hooked up to one router one would have an open NAT and the other would have a closed NAT?[/quote] Does that for all games.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Da Master Chef While we're still on the first page, I'd just like to say that the guide at the moment is not perfect and as always I'd like to fix that. It could do with a section on how to get your IP and DNS numbers with Windows 7. I don't have it so if anyone reading this can write it in the same style as the XP description, I'll edit it in and give you a shoutout[/quote] I'd imagine this has been answered already, but just in case (since I'm really not willing to go through X amount of pages to check): The process is exactly the same, except instead of clicking "run" and typing in "cmd.exe" you go to the start menu, click on the box to search for files or folders and type "cmd". At the top of the search results should be the program "cmd" which you need to double-click to run. Once you're in there, it's the same command.
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So Is There A Way To Have Open NAT on Two Xbox On The Same Network? Me An My Bro Have Moderate NAT and Can't Connect To Friends Sometimes, We Have A WRT310n Linksys Router (V1).
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@ those who say NAT dose not affect matchmaking...obviously it does....and it will only cause you problems when joining with others that have closed NAT, and even then only sometimes. What I can say is, after I went through this guide, I was instantly able to connect with players who 30 sec previous I was getting the cant join party/NAT message. [Edited on 12.26.2010 5:23 PM PST]
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Worked Great! Went and fixed several friends who were having the same issue while my credit ban expired :( which it has, and I can now enjoi delicious Cr once again.
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Does any one know if reach is like halo 3 where if you have x box 360 hooked up to one router one would have an open NAT and the other would have a closed NAT?
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Anyone have any idea how to do this for Verizon Fios? I'm havin' a dickens loging in....did I say dickens?
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I see no advantage to having an open NAT at all. I can connect to friends games with no problem with a closed NAT. I can share any and all media that the Xbox accepts with a close NAT on my home network. And I do not have a router that has upnp. I can connect to xbox live with no issues, I can connect to all games with no issues. Even with a closed nat. All that having a closed nat does is make sure I am never host in any game. Which is fine by me, since I never want to be host in any game. Since I only have dsl. And no I am not going to go get a better isp just to open my NAT just so I can ever be host in a game. So though this may be helpful to some, it will not be to all.
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i did everythiing you said and all it did was change my NAT from moderate to strict which is even worse!!!
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I couldn't join Xbox LIVE parties or even so much as join lobbies with my friends on a range of games. After following these steps however (including the 1337 section) I've got open NAT across the board. Quite simple to follow actually, many thanks. [Edited on 12.20.2010 5:51 PM PST]
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if you have a BT homehub then go to [url=http://www.unofficialguidetolive.co.uk/faqs/56-bt-homehub-strict-nat-tbc]this website[/url] nothing I tried changed my NAT to open until I followed the steps recommended by this site :) basically after trying all the complicated stuff like port fowarding and putting my xbox in a dmz (which is surprisingly tricky with the homehub), I found that simply setting all the I.P.s, gateways and subnet masks and stuff to auto on the xbox, telling the homehub to use the same I.P. address every time for my xbox, and assigning the application "XBconnect" to my xbox's I.P., it mysteriously started working again (go to the website as I cant be bothered to run through it all here) sometimes the simplest solutions are the best :) [Edited on 12.20.2010 6:29 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CapttainNEM0 How do you find the firewall settings?[/quote] just put your ip adress in your adress bar. (instead of www.bungie.net, for example.) After you are done with this, your modem settings will pop up. Every modem has different settings menus, so I can't help more than this, but there must be an option to enable the firewall. Just uncheck it.
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My NAT used to be opened back when I had AT&T. Comcast is much less reliable.
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Thank you so much, i couldnt figure out how to make my nat open and i couldnt play any custom games, i am soooo thankful :)))) [url=http://www.mtgfanatic.com/?ForumReferrerID=108952]Click here for Macic!!![/url]
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Hmm, my NAT has mysteriously become strict as of late. This happened before, a simple reboot of everything did the trick last time, but it looks like I shall have to give your rather well-crafted guide a go this time, as no amount of unplugging and replugging is getting me anywhere this time round. Thanks for the guide, I hope it solves my networking problems!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] y2yk2k Thank you so much, my NAT is now open! I would like to add something I had to do to make it work. I had to uncheck my Firewall in the router settings. If I don't uncheck it, the NAT just won't open.[/quote] How do you find the firewall settings?
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Followed all steps and still "Closed NAT". :(
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dont write me a god damn essay! just put steps in and dont make it so confusing (and this didnt help at all, it just killed my internet until i put all settings back to normal >:O) [Edited on 12.13.2010 6:50 AM PST]
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Thank you so much, my NAT is now open! I would like to add something I had to do to make it work. I had to uncheck my Firewall in the router settings. If I don't uncheck it, the NAT just won't open.
