The pvp crucibitches can deny it all they want but this was designed to be a pve game with a little bit of pvp to blow off some steam and be able to kill your friends. The only issue was that the pve was so damn lacklustre that it quickly shifted to a pvp oriented game. Each of these patches gets more pvp centred and it's just causing nerfs for pve. The sniper ammo nerf in year two affected how we had to do the raid because half the -blam!-ing snipers I used personally could now only hold 14 rounds (Looking at you my beautiful longbow synthesis). Bungie should not have taken up this project because they clearly failed. This games on -blam!-ing life support for Christs sake. Destiny one was just a massive beta for destiny two and they know that. The amount of incompetence surrounding Bungie's decisions is just abysmal. This is an excerpt of a reply I had posted on a topic about how pvp is in basically all exotic quests. This game is just shameful honestly

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Bump. Destiny was supposed to be about having three very different classes/subclasses and having tons of fun, exciting weapons people can choose from. Three years later, the sublcasses and guns have been nerfed so much that it has really stripped the sense of power and progression from this game, and it is much less fun than it used to be. You can't have fun and exciting subclasses and guns, etc. AND expect perfect balance as well. Something has to give, and the dev's in this game have decided to sacrifice all for the sake of PVP balance - which they will never achieve in this game until all of the differences in classes/subclasses and guns/archetypes have been eliminated. But then, why would they continue to make this game then? They stopped making Halo because they said they were tired of making halo...

I'm sorry if people are going to get tired of seeing this but it unfortunately applies everywhere on the forums.😥 This is why pvp should have been separated from pve from the very beginning! A lot of your changes sound good. That's why separating the two modes would be beneficial to everyone even Bungie they just don't know it themselves! Pvpers and pvers. Here's the thing when I read your post I know exactly what you are talking about because I play the game a lot. The problem with Bungie is they don't play the game often enough except during testing phases. When those certain people at Bungie have the responsibility to make changes in Destiny don't play the game enough, they don't know what the players are even talking about online and in the forums. Bungie doesn't know when those people make good or bad suggestions to the game online. Why? We have people at Bungie who are making changes to the game that don't play the game and don't have an interest in playing the game. They treat Destiny as a job and a paycheck only. They aren't going to care how their changes will effect the community in a good or bad manner. Why, because they are listening but they don't quite understand. Destiny is like a second language they don't care to learn yet! For example the community manager that is supposed to be relaying our messages to the devs at Bungie, Cozmo and Deej, have no interest in Destiny and barely play the game. They just do their jobs as a community manager by reading comments (they don't understand) and trying to translate our wants and needs back to the devs as best they can. Are they going to be able to decipher who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't? No! Because they don't play the game as a hobby, we do. So yes we the community know more about Destiny than all the devs and community managers combined. The devs see the game from a behind-the-scenes perspective, coding, we the community see the game from an immersive perspective, in game play! Anyway I hope you see where I'm coming from anyway. Edit: Here's another thing that takes it a step further. Josh Hamrick and others like him are depending too heavily on the content creators. Why? Because they spend all their days in a 9to5 on a game they don't have an interest in going home and playing on top of doing their jobs all day! Of course they don't, no one would! They listen to the content creators too much and that's a problem because sometimes those content creators and streamers have biased game changing suggestions. They want changes that complement their playstyles only. Then Josh and people like him trust what these people have to say and then go make changes based on what they are saying and their data analysis. Numbers and graphs can only tell you so much about Destiny. It can never tell you the bigger picture. So that is where the disconnect between the community and the devs is happening! They need to put people in at Bungie who have experience playing the game and is more objective in their view point. That would take job applications and a process by Bungie they would need to be willing to undertake. Interview people in the community that would have more of an objective perspective. Some of these streamers are too biased to be suggesting changes to the game.

I sort of disagree. It does seem more geared toward PvP. If anything it's geared toward acquiring gear above all else. I do agree with you that, nerfs in PvP should never cross over to PvE. It's totally asinine. What good is it to have weapons that suck across the board? Sure, Bungie, go ahead and nerf away at guns like Thorne in PvP, but for crying out loud it should still be great in PvE. It's an exotic, that you have to work to get, that has no value in any game mode.

Well anything gets stale after awhile. We need variety because nerf and buff aren't just are not enough. Destiny has plagued with problems lately but dont let that distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table

My view on what actually happened knowing Bungie nerfed this game. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/222462117/0/0

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I guess nerfing shotguns so you cant run around 1 shotting people is butchering the game lol. The game is fun now I quit in Year 1 because it took only a year and a half for new content LOL but now that everything is out coming back starting over on a new console the game is even more fun. I don't see how this game is lacking anything. People said auto rifles were trash befor the buff but when I got back I reckt with an auto rifle and apparently it was trash? lol if you just want shotty kills and stuff theres a game called Call of Duty you can shotty all you want.