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Edited by erakis1: 2/16/2017 2:38:43 PM
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Trials is killing destiny.

This was supposed to be an epic space fantasy. Now, the performance of every weapon and subclass in the game is constantly held hostage by one game mode that has nothing to do with the core elements of the game's universe. I hated it when it launched, and it becomes clear with every patch that trials is always the priority, leaving all the PvE players out in the cold. Bungie, you are going to have to make some pretty substantial changes to how trials effects destiny if you expect any pre-orders for Destiny 2. Edit: for those who claim that trials is what keeps destiny going, I'm going to have to fundamentally disagree. Point #1: The thing that keeps destiny going is the thing that people hate the most about it: RNG. At its core, Destiny is a loot based shooter with an RPG foundation. The gameplay loop of loot based games centers on gaining power for your character to take on tougher challenges, to get better loot. The loot itself is the reward system that the game is based upon. Point # 2: Bungie employees have specifically stated that Trials is intended for only 1% if the player base. Making changes based on 1% of the player base that undermine the core gameplay loop underlying what destiny is poisons the entire game. The loot reward system loses its power when players are always skeptical of a particular build or item getting nerfed in the future. The anticipation and excitement of getting that loot drop from a raid boss is diminished based on the constant looming threat of nerfs and enthusiasm for the core gameplay loop wanes. Overwatch works as a competitive game because the characters are "built" for you and there is no diversity or loot. Halo worked because a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle and a needler is a needler. Lack of variety is fundamental to creating a solid competitive game. It is also antithetical to loot based games like Diablo, Borderlands, and Nioh. Destiny was sold on its universe building, story, loot, and cooperative elements, yet it consistently undermines those principles to try to create a competitive game that cannot possibly exist in Destiny's universe.
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  • People want go flawless and that's why the devs says trials isn't meant for average pvp players which was bs. Because I got to seven matches all you gotta do is play it smart and stop going to same location.

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    • They just need to reset destiny back to year one

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      • Actually, people whining on the forums like you are killing the game.

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      • IMO... Trials is the only thing keeping this game going... PvE content is dry and all the nerfs and buffs to weapons really don't affect the overall skill or play style..

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        • I [b]ALWAYS[/b] cringe when I see people comparing this game to Overwatch, which is terrible and nothing like Destiny.

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          • Still don't understand why they nerfed special weapon ammo.

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          • Well said

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          • I'm not saying they are right, but Trials is like one of the top things you see on twitch throughout the weekend. It attracts the masses, and keeps a certain group playing Destiny. They rule the meta, they make the meta, so who else will Bungie pander to? I would love for them to appeal to the general crowd, but I don't think we matter to them at this point in the game's life cycle.

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          • I do think you are correct about destinys loot being the reason this game is so addictive. But I also believe that loot and raids are not end game for destiny. I remember the first month they had iron banner ever. When it released DeeJ called it Destinys "end game" which means after you have done the story missions, strikes, nightfalls, and vog to reach that level cap you would be able to go compete in the end game. Then they made trials which was another version of that which could give the pvp fan base a way to compete in end game activities to get end game loot without the need for pve. From a pvp player to all the pve players out there I am sorry that these balances keep changing your fun too. It's not trials that is the outstanding cause though, it's bungie not putting in the effort to keep the two separated from one another. I still feel for you though dude, if you want to learn how to have fun in trials though you can always add me :)

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          • The only reason I still play destiny is because of trials. The WOTM raid got really boring quick and don't really care for playing the same strikes over and over again. Or a night fall that doesn't give good rewards.

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          • Trials is destiny's only lifeline. Without it, this game would be empty right now.

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            • You might hate trials. You might hate how toxic people are from it. But, Trials is not killing destiny. It's one is the few reasons this game is still alive.

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              • Trials is probably the thing keeping this game alive lol the only activity left in trials unless you want to do strikes day and nights fighting the same boss and getting the same loot. Don't get me wrong trials is a joke and the fact bungie describes it as "competitive" is offensive to true comp games.

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                • Trials isn't killing Destiny, Bungo is. The top people ask for very specific changes that wouldn't even affect pve. Hell the pvp community has been asking for buffs. but what does bungie do? Hell if I know, I don't understand why they do the nerfs that they do. They're incompetent at changing things. Trials and pvp ruined pve? Nope, it's bungos fault

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                  • Edited by Anatamize 2: 2/15/2017 11:32:02 PM
                    Trials...? Priority? One word: Skorris. Nothing wrong with trials. Put credit where it's due, Bungie is stupid. Plain and simple. Trials is great.

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                    • The only thing which affects pve in a bad way - is life steal changes that im pretty sure will be adjusted to be more balanced and useful. Other then that - lastest hotfix didnt affect pve like at all. Only pvp weapon balance which is the right thing to do. As for exotics - truth nerf is justified and should have been done a long time ago.

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                      • Who cares, PvE is trash.

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                        • In destiny 2 sniper rifles will have crit damage removed... mark my words...

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                          • Did you notice that the only people praising this patch are the streamers? So much for listening to the whole community.

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                            • Halo had more no scopes then destiny with snipers, still fun Trials is good because it is by far the most challenging and hardest activity in destiny, for the most part PVE while still fun, just needs to be completed, not won

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                              • Without trials this game would be dead

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                                • Trials would be a lot better if it had skill based matchmaking. The way it's been, only elite PVP players are playing now. Everyone else has quit once they realized they didn't have a chance at going to the Lighthouse. I am a pretty good PVP player but I know I never could get to the Lighthouse. That's why I paid for a carry. This is what Bungie's decisions have ultimately led to; a cluster-fuk of a game.

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                                  • Trials is not killing destiny. Trials made destiny better. I understand why people would say (OP) that though. You were all lead to believe (myself included) PvE would be a massive world. It wasn't and thankfully Bungie was good at PvP because they were terrible at PvE sans the raids, they are/were fun. But this was the first attempt. We were all part of a beta. Go play Warframe (it's free). It's almost identical to PVE with much more content. Constant updates, community contributions and all the grinding one could possibly want if that's what you're in to.

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                                    • I think this is what its come down to. Destiny is a loot based fps with little pve aspects. Yes this game has good lore and amazing structure and raids but it all comes down to "god rolls" on a weapon. I love this game but its hard to tell what bungie is trying to acheive with this game. Bungie tried to make a game where its about story and pvp but in reality you cant balance both. Over the years they have tried to balance pve content with pvp content and that didn't work out too well now its all pvp. You can only focus on one. Well little rant over and Im hoping Destiny 2 will maybe focus on pve more and have live events for it aswell but we will see.

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                                      • I'm with you Op on this one BUT......... I look at it differently to you. I don't see Trials killing Destiny but BUNGIE killing destiny. It's Bungie who are making these calls on patches that suit PvP/Trials. Originally Destiny was all about PvE and PvP was a side gaming experience within Destiny. However Bungie did a massive U turn on us and see PvP/Trials as the way forward for Destiny, including ass licking streamers and so it seems vice versa. Look at the streams Bungie put out.... I have not seen 1 person in that audience stand up and say, c'mon guys what about these issues.... No, because that audience is selected and safe for Bungie. All created to suit Bungie. Just IMO....

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                                      • Bump. Game is straight trash now.

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