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6/3/2010 5:03:40 AM
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Option to Turn-off Reticule Bloom
In order for Reach to be at its full competitive potential, the randomness that comes with reticule bloom needs to be removed.
Will there be an option to do this in customs? I for one, will only buy Reach if it functions as a competitive fps, and as of now, it does not.
So Bungie, will you live up to your promise of customization to make all parties happy? Even if your settings and your Halo Reach is completely broken, I'd prefer a way to play this game that wasn't catered to 10 year olds with ADHD who can't stand losing, and the first step to do this seems to be an option to remove bloom.
Thanks for your Time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achiilez [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heroin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.[/quote] This guy knows his stuff. On topic, Murdur is easily the most deluded person on B.Net. His "concept" of consistency and inconsistency is heavily flawed. He doesn't understand how outcomes (timing bloom vs. spamming bloom) is a major flaw in Reach. It can lead to many random outcomes that this poor little fellow cannot comprehend. Maybe he needs to understand this a little bit clearer. Spamming trigger at close range vs. timing shots (slower shooting) at close range ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is inconsistent and leads to random outcomes.[/quote] After all, murdur says that flag juggling is an exploit right? I hope we can get the bloom away, its crap.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.[/quote] I am cool, thanks. You're right, randomness plays a part [i]if the player allows it to.[/i] The point is, luck can beat skill which is stupid[/quote] It can, but very rarely. In most situations, the player timing his shots skillfully will win. I understand that occasionally a player will win due to dumb luck, but that's life. You can't weed out every luck scenario. Even if one shot that you should have missed ends up hitting due to random bloom, this usually will not influence whether or not the player will get the kill let alone win the game. If a player manages to get several kills in a row while blindly firing all over the place, but his bullets happen to hit the opponents' heads due to bloom, I would suggest that player buys some lottery tickets. That type of crap happens very rarely and the benefit of adding an extra skill is greater than the problem of adding a small amount of randomness.[/quote] These scenarios are not rare though with the DMR at mid range. The killtime with its most accurate ROF is soooooooooooo long that using a faster more random ROF will net you the win more often than not. Note that im not talking about spamming as fast as you can.[/quote]There's nothing wrong with firing a little faster than what would normally be the optimal range. If the reticle is slightly larger than the enemy, you might as well take the shot because chances are, you will hit. If you beat other players this way, fine. You are using the gameplay mechanic in a way that optimizes the amount of damage you dish out. You are pretty much doing what you are supposed to be doing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ As Lies already said, someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and beat someone who has perfect aim and perfect timing. That, my mentally challenged friend, is LUCK.[/quote] If someone has perfect aim and timing that wouldn't happen.[/quote] Yes it would, because you dont wait between shots=you shoot faster.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heroin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.[/quote] This guy knows his stuff. On topic, Murdur is easily the most deluded person on B.Net. His "concept" of consistency and inconsistency is heavily flawed. He doesn't understand how outcomes (timing bloom vs. spamming bloom) is a major flaw in Reach. It can lead to many random outcomes that this poor little fellow cannot comprehend. Maybe he needs to understand this a little bit clearer. Spamming trigger at close range vs. timing shots (slower shooting) at close range ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is inconsistent and leads to random outcomes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS These scenarios are not rare though with the DMR at mid range. The killtime with its most accurate ROF is soooooooooooo long that using a faster more random ROF will net you the win more often than not. Note that im not talking about spamming as fast as you can.[/quote] But you don't have to wait for full accuracy,just keep it the size of the body for the first four shots and slow down the slightest bit for the last headshot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.[/quote] I am cool, thanks. You're right, randomness plays a part [i]if the player allows it to.[/i] The point is, luck can beat skill which is stupid[/quote] It can, but very rarely. In most situations, the player timing his shots skillfully will win. I understand that occasionally a player will win due to dumb luck, but that's life. You can't weed out every luck scenario. Even if one shot that you should have missed ends up hitting due to random bloom, this usually will not influence whether or not the player will get the kill let alone win the game. If a player manages to get several kills in a row while blindly firing all over the place, but his bullets happen to hit the opponents' heads due to bloom, I would suggest that player buys some lottery tickets. That type of crap happens very rarely and the benefit of adding an extra skill is greater than the problem of adding a small amount of randomness.[/quote] These scenarios are not rare though with the DMR at mid range. The killtime with its most accurate ROF is soooooooooooo long that using a faster more random ROF will net you the win more often than not. Note that im not talking about spamming as fast as you can.[/quote] Actually the better player in nuke-wars will win. DMR takes forever to kill people. I wont touch any other weapon in that game other than sniper, because even a monkey can headshot with it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heroin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.[/quote] If all the intelligent people did that the human race would undoubtable kill itself,so no i will not abide by your request.[/quote] Do you have any idea how retarded you are? Seriously, just get it over with.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heroin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.[/quote] If all the intelligent people did that the human race would undoubtable kill itself,so no i will not abide by your request.[/quote] Lol you're trying way too hard to sound smart. That post doesn't even make sense, not to mention the grammar errors.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser More skill = Less competitive? I don't understand.[/quote] It isnt skill. ITs just spam at close range, and the winner is chosen by LUCK. Why bother to carefully aim your shot, because you can shoot 3 times faster when u dont. In close range it is useless to wait the bloom. Bloom makes tha game SO slow paced that i hate it already.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slayerz116 I have an idea for bungie. Keep the bloom. Just add an option for players to choose whether they want the HUD to show the bloom or not. Since the bloom are technically in the previous halo games, but are just not shown clearly. If players realise, once people start firing blindly, namely the automatic weapons, the shots can also go outside the reticle. Well it i think its an exception of the battle rifle. Its more of a psychological thing. People THINK its different but its almost the same. Its just that the bloom indicator gives the player something more to worry about. ps. can someone help me test how accurate the "bullets" of the covenant carbines are? Since it is the closest you can get to the DMR or the Needle rifle.[/quote] Bloom was not present for every weapon in all the games. Weapons like the BR had no bloom.[/quote] True, but a lot of people argue that bloom is something completely new and it will ruin the core of Halo. Those people fail to realize that the Halo ce pistol had bloom. The people who think that bloom changes Halo too much are mostly people who use Halo 3 to define how Halo is meant to be played. Halo ce had undisplayed bloom and no one complained about it. In fact, most people consider it to be the best Halo. However, as soon as Reach introduced it, everyone complained.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heroin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.[/quote] If all the intelligent people did that the human race would undoubtable kill itself,so no i will not abide by your request.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.[/quote] I am cool, thanks. You're right, randomness plays a part [i]if the player allows it to.[/i] The point is, luck can beat skill which is stupid[/quote] It can, but very rarely. In most situations, the player timing his shots skillfully will win. I understand that occasionally a player will win due to dumb luck, but that's life. You can't weed out every luck scenario. Even if one shot that you should have missed ends up hitting due to random bloom, this usually will not influence whether or not the player will get the kill let alone win the game. If a player manages to get several kills in a row while blindly firing all over the place, but his bullets happen to hit the opponents' heads due to bloom, I would suggest that player buys some lottery tickets. That type of crap happens very rarely and the benefit of adding an extra skill is greater than the problem of adding a small amount of randomness.[/quote] These scenarios are not rare though with the DMR at mid range. The killtime with its most accurate ROF is soooooooooooo long that using a faster more random ROF will net you the win more often than not. Note that im not talking about spamming as fast as you can. [Edited on 06.03.2010 12:58 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [/quote] Do the world a favor, and drink a bottle of bleach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slayerz116 I have an idea for bungie. Keep the bloom. Just add an option for players to choose whether they want the HUD to show the bloom or not. Since the bloom are technically in the previous halo games, but are just not shown clearly. If players realise, once people start firing blindly, namely the automatic weapons, the shots can also go outside the reticle. Well it i think its an exception of the battle rifle. Its more of a psychological thing. People THINK its different but its almost the same. Its just that the bloom indicator gives the player something more to worry about. ps. can someone help me test how accurate the "bullets" of the covenant carbines are? Since it is the closest you can get to the DMR or the Needle rifle.[/quote] Bloom was not present for every weapon in all the games. Weapons like the BR had no bloom.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.[/quote] I am cool, thanks. You're right, randomness plays a part [i]if the player allows it to.[/i] The point is, luck can beat skill which is stupid[/quote] It can, but very rarely. In most situations, the player timing his shots skillfully will win. I understand that occasionally a player will win due to dumb luck, but that's life. You can't weed out every luck scenario. Even if one shot that you should have missed ends up hitting due to random bloom, this usually will not influence whether or not the player will get the kill let alone win the game. If a player manages to get several kills in a row while blindly firing all over the place, but his bullets happen to hit the opponents' heads due to bloom, I would suggest that player buys some lottery tickets. That type of crap happens very rarely and the benefit of adding an extra skill is greater than the problem of adding a small amount of randomness.
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I have an idea for bungie. Keep the bloom. Just add an option for players to choose whether they want the HUD to show the bloom or not. Since the bloom are technically in the previous halo games, but are just not shown clearly. If players realise, once people start firing blindly, namely the automatic weapons, the shots can also go outside the reticle. Well it i think its an exception of the battle rifle. Its more of a psychological thing. People THINK its different but its almost the same. Its just that the bloom indicator gives the player something more to worry about. ps. can someone help me test how accurate the "bullets" of the covenant carbines are? Since it is the closest you can get to the DMR or the Needle rifle.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 Spamming your trigger at close range is a good decision,while waiting for your bloom to fully reset at that range is not. No,why? simple. The player with perfect timing and accuracy would wait 1.19x the amount of time of the shot delay so he gets the same shots in with significant increase in accuracy. Now why would player with perfect aim win you ask? i shall answer that by answering another question.Why do players complain about there being not enough ammo in guns? Because they have bad aim and timing so either most of their shots miss or their final shot isn't a headshot. Any situation besides point blank the spammer will lose because he will undoubtably miss a single shot.[/quote] Explanation!!1! Now i'm not saying that it's impossible to get a spamming five shot kill at close+ range,i'm saying the chances are so miniscule that it happening is 1/1000000,this being against someone with perfect aim and timing,and impossible if up against a average player. [Edited on 06.03.2010 12:56 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.[/quote] I am cool, thanks. You're right, randomness plays a part [i]if the player allows it to.[/i] The point is, luck can beat skill which is stupid
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ As Lies already said, someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and beat someone who has perfect aim and perfect timing. That, my mentally challenged friend, is LUCK.[/quote] If someone has perfect aim and timing that wouldn't happen.[/quote] Uh yes it can, because someone can not wait for the bloom and get lucky. That's the whole point of what I've been saying. How can you not understand that after all the time? Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about and I cannot fathom why I wasted my time in such a pointless argument.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ As Lies already said, someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and beat someone who has perfect aim and perfect timing. That, my mentally challenged friend, is LUCK.[/quote] If someone has perfect aim and timing that wouldn't happen.[/quote] Yes it could because perfect timing would imply you are using the most accurate ROF possible which consequently is also the slowest ROF possible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lies Are you serious? This whole time you've been touting reticule bloom as a good inclusion because it takes skill and now you're saying that ignoring it is a "good decision". Get some consistency, please. As for you assertion that people cannot spam the trigger, get lucky and score a kill, well that is completely false. I've done it and seen it done in the beta. Because you seem to have a hard time understanding this, I'll reiterate it. Player A can aim perfectly, time his shots perfectly, and STILL lose because Player B decided to spam his shots and therefore land his shots faster. He should have been punished for shooting so quickly but because the projectiles are random, they managed to hit due to luck. You can do everything correctly and still lose because someone got lucky. That is irrefutable and if you believe otherwise then it shows you understand nothing about this conversation.[/quote] Spamming your trigger at close range is a good decision,while waiting for your bloom to fully reset at that range is not. No,why? simple. The player with perfect timing and accuracy would wait 1.19x the amount of time of the shot delay so he gets the same shots in with significant increase in accuracy. Now why would player with perfect aim win you ask? i shall answer that by answering another question.Why do players complain about there being not enough ammo in guns? Because they have bad aim and timing so either most of their shots miss or their final shot isn't a headshot. Any situation besides point blank the spammer will lose because he will undoubtably miss a single shot. [Edited on 06.03.2010 12:49 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] We Told You So The more insults I throw into this post, the more credible my opinion is.[/quote][/quote] He might be the dumbest person on bnet so it's not a big deal
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lies Someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and kill someone who was timing their shots and aiming perfectly, all because of luck. That is a flaw.[/quote] Not at all. Even if the player had no idea what he was doing it's obvious he inadvertantly made a good decision while you did not and he won the battle.[/quote] Are you serious? This whole time you've been touting reticule bloom as a good inclusion because it takes skill and now you're saying that ignoring it is a "good decision". Get some consistency, please. As for you assertion that people cannot spam the trigger, get lucky and score a kill, well that is completely false. I've done it and seen it done in the beta. Because you seem to have a hard time understanding this, I'll reiterate it. Player A can aim perfectly, time his shots perfectly, and STILL lose because Player B decided to spam his shots and therefore land his shots faster. He should have been punished for shooting so quickly but because the projectiles are random, they managed to hit due to luck. You can do everything correctly and still lose because someone got lucky. That is irrefutable and if you believe otherwise then it shows you understand nothing about this conversation.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ THE BULLETS WHEN YOU DON'T WAIT FOR THE BLOOM TO DIE DOWN.[/quote] And who controls if you wait or not?[/quote] You are -blam!- stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if you ate too much lead paint as a child. You ignore everything people have already said that disproves your point because you have no -blam!- clue about anything[/quote] So you cannot refute my point?[/quote] No retard, you have no point. As Lies already said, someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and beat someone who has perfect aim and perfect timing. That, my mentally challenged friend, is LUCK.[/quote] I think his point was that randomness exists, but it only plays a part if the player allows it to. If you manage your bloom so that the reticle is smaller than the head, then randomness shouldn't play a part. Oh wait, I forgot to call you mentally retarded, because that's what all the cool kids are doing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] change4a5_ As Lies already said, someone can spam the trigger, get lucky, and beat someone who has perfect aim and perfect timing. That, my mentally challenged friend, is LUCK.[/quote] If someone has perfect aim and timing that wouldn't happen.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] We Told You So Player's strafe. Use cover. Jump. Crouch.[/quote] All of those things are constants,just like time.
