Meta. Shotgun melee is the bestest. No actual gun skill required and pvp is fun when the only way to counter a particular weapon is with that same weapon. Pvp is way more fun when everyone uses the same exact load out.

This is just a new kind of whining.

True balance will never happen unless they strip this game down and force everyone to use the same options. By default, the only true answer is a new meta. Whether it's by buff this and/or nerf that.

This game Will never have true balance.

The damage fall off should be drastic when using a high rof anything. That's the problem. Also, HCR on anything high rof should be taken away. Tweak these things and automatically other weapons will shine. All high archetypes need a buff as well.

unfortunately, no matter how balanced this game becomes, their will always be something that will be slightly better than everything else that players will gravitate towards and form a meta from. However at the moment, I would like to see other primaries buffed so that they're on a similar level to high RoF pulses.

This game will NEVER be balanced because 1) we take our own weapons into PvP 2) everything could be dead equal and players would still bitch and moan about whatever they saw killing them The fact that one of your options is "nerf pulse rifles" just perfectly encapsulates how ridiculous the idea of truly balancing this game is. What exactly would you nerf? Because there's nothing remotely close to op about them. Or is it because you see "Clever Dragon" a lot and therefore it must be op? Another fun fact is that every single weapon that has become the so called "meta" was already great and capable of being awesome if players just picked them up and used them instead of [quote]OMG, Bungie nerf Suros now!!!!![/quote] MIDA could [i]destroy[/i] Suros before it or ARs were ever nerfed. Same for Coiled Hiss (the original Clever Dragon) And should we talk Hand Cannons? Fact is I still die to them probably more than any other primary class and I don't hear any talk they're OP, but The Palindrome, ill will, TLW, Eyasluna, etc are all disgustingly good in PvP with players that can use them properly (read: not trying to kill at scout range) Hell, saw a player last week who was destroying people with the Crota hand cannon, should it be nerfed? Oh and scouts??? Cryptic Dragon Chaos Dogma Distant Star MIDA Saterienne Rapier The Armsday Suros scouts The FWC Scout Every single one of them can go toe to toe with any pulse rifle any day of the week. What exactly are you going to bring up on them? There is no win with this discussion and topic. It will forever circle the drain.

Titanfall 2 is fantastic

What exactly is "balance"? Everyone has their own definition of the term. There will always be complaining about a game of this type. Anytime someone gets killed by a weapon they don't have or don't want to use, they are going to complain about it. Why? Because they can.

I like the change every once in a while. It's fun learning what works and what doesn't. I think "balance changes" should continue being what they are now. Personally, I can't wait for a change where Scout Rifles and Sidearms become the meta

I honestly can't think of a single game that doesn't have a "meta" at some level of play.

Buff everything primaries, specials and heavies. No more nerfs let us spill carnage in pve & pvp

well the thing is there will never be a true balance. there will all ways be that one weapon that outshines others.

NERF CLEVER DRAGON

Revert weapon balance back to the HoW meta, fix The Last Word, dial back the Thorn, and tune up auto rifles a little bit. Not perfect, but it'd be a start. I promise that would be a hell of a lot better than everything Bungie has done since then.