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5/24/2010 5:17:53 PM
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Can spartans be infected by the flood?
I just read the can engineers be infected thread and it got me thinking. Can spartans be infected by the flood? I mean, they are human so they can probably be infected but would they be some type of super flood?
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If they don't have their armor on, yes.
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Yeah, I think they can.
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i think we need to make it a forum rule that you need to have read the canon (at least the books) before posting arguments and theories on this forum, at least just so people know what theyre talking about
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote]Johnson seems to be immune to infection, however, [/quote] There's no evidence of Johnson being immune to infection. He escaped the flood by fighting so well that the flood didn't have the opportunity to try, not by any biological immunity. [/quote]Well in Halo 1 we see Flood attempting to take him over. I know what Staten said about wanting to retcon the reason for Johnson escaping the Flood was due to his kick-ass fighting, rather than the Flood not being able to take him over. The way I took that quote was that, though the Flood couldn't infect him, they didn't all just forget about him, letting him stroll out. He was almost pummeled by infection forms, but managed to take up his feet again and fight his way out of the facility. That's how I took it, anyway...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] t4pb acryl If Johnson was a spartan 1 he would be a couple thousand years old.[/quote] 0.o.... NO. You're confusing SPARTAN-I super-soldiers with the Greek Spartan warriors, and in doing so reveal that you have almost no idea what we're talking about here. GET THEE HENCE! [quote]If he were really a spartan II he would be bigger, faster, and stronger.[/quote] Duh, and NO ONE IS SAYING THIS. Johnson has been confirmed as a [u]SPARTAN-I[/u]. Not a SPARTAN-II. [quote]The only way he could possibly immune is if he was injected with the many chemicals any spartan II was injected with. [/quote]Again, you've missed the point of the entire thread. We're already reasonably sure that Johnson is immune to infection, given the Flood cells contained within his blood. The discussion has turned more to a discussion of whether or not the SPARTAN-IIs are immune to infection as the SPARTAN-Is appear to be. [quote]If what you say is the truth I would like to know the source, that way I may expand my knowledge on the halo universe.[/quote] I said several times within this thread where such information can be found; Contact Harvest and the Graphic Novel hint at it, and the Halo Encyclopedia all but explicitly states it. The fact that you even have to ask shows that you didn't read any of these posts, and instead simply flitted to the last page and made a poor attempt at an argument. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. The SPARTAN-Is are IN NO WAY the same thing as the Greek Spartans (Or, more appropriately, Laconians or Lacedaemonians). Check your facts, and the facts of the people you're trying to counter, before you attempt to post an argument, because otherwise you simply bring down the level of discourse.
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but a Spartan's augmentation would not halt/prevent infection. in fact, the outcome would be a nightmarish, monstrous, more aggressive version of your garden variety flood forms... If anyone has tweaked with the player gravity/speed in the pregame lobby in halo 3, you'll know what ill about to be talking about...Basically, take a normal flood human, increase it's size 3x, give it heavy armor, increase its already superhuman strength drastically, make it harder to kill, throw some energy shields into the mix, increase its speed to 300% of normal speed and drop its gravity by 50%. so basically you'll have a near- unstoppable juggernaut of a flood form that can run extremely fast, jump extemely far,have beyond superhuman strength,and is VERY hard to kill even after you knock out its shields.
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Johnson has the fabled Boren's Syndrome(Which was just an coverup for the Orion Project), which alters his nervous system. an infection form's first target is the nervous system, and since Johnson has "Boren's Syndrome", he cannot be fully infected.
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spartan I are just light armor plated spartans which have no sheilding technology which make them very weak much like a marine. but the spartan I armor trained them to become strong enough to equip spartan II armor
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well cortana used his small fusion reactor in his suit to make an electrical charge to destroy a combat form not a flood spore so... he wasn't actually about to get infected he was just punctured by a tenacle that the combat form had inside his collar bone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chiefs Cousin Seriously people for the last time, Boren's Syndrome was fake. A cover-up. Johnson was a Spartan 1. Weather or not that makes him immune to the Flood is unknown, but he most does not have a non-existent.[/quote] If Johnson was a spartan 1 he would be a couple thousand years old. If he were really a spartan II he would be bigger, faster, and stronger. The only way he could possibly immune is if he was injected with the many chemicals any spartan II was injected with. If he was exposed to the physical altering chemicals he would be, without a doubt, bigger, faster, and stronger than he actualey is. If what you say is the truth I would like to know the source, that way I may expand my knowledge on the halo universe.
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Seriously people for the last time, Boren's Syndrome was fake. A cover-up. Johnson was a Spartan 1. Weather or not that makes him immune to the Flood is unknown, but he most does not have a non-existent.
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Master chief is just like any other human, except he's got that little word "super" before human. If the flood got into his suit and infected him he would be just like any other infected human. The only difference that I suspect is that the flood that would become of a spartan would be bigger, faster, and stronger. It would be closley similar to an infected elite. However, he may be immune. Just like sergent Johnson he has been exposed to serious amount of chemicals. That is how he became a super-human. Though sergent Johnson got his bourne syndrome from radiation from using a crate of plasma grenades. Chief has been injected with high concentrated amounts of different chamicals throughout his body. The flood may or may not be able to sustain life in a spartan host for that reason. [Edited on 06.02.2010 2:44 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Buggy Virus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I Judge Bread I [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Buggy Virus Perhaps Johnson's augmentation protected him from the airborne spores which can be found in areas that the flood have infested for a long time.[/quote] I think it was a Calcium deficiency that prevented him from being infected, I shall have to consult First Strike again. [/quote] Pretty sure any medical conditions being the reason is a cover up.[/quote] Yes and no. Johnson's "Boren's Syndrome" is a cover-up for the side-effects of S-I augmentation. However, it is possible that the augmentations scrambled his central nervous system enough to make him immune to infection, which would be a medical condition. There's also the possible that there is something much more sinister at play regarding the SPARTAN Project, ONI and the Flood, but that's best left as speculation at this point.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I Judge Bread I [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Buggy Virus Perhaps Johnson's augmentation protected him from the airborne spores which can be found in areas that the flood have infested for a long time.[/quote] I think it was a Calcium deficiency that prevented him from being infected, I shall have to consult First Strike again. [/quote] Pretty sure any medical conditions being the reason is a cover up.
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Yes, they are human afterall, and the Flood can easily break through a Spartans Visor or Armour and infect them. Allthough in irony, Johnson, which has no armour, is inmune to the Flood infection. We dont know exactly what it is, but it cant be Borrens Syndrome since its confirmed to be a ONI coverup for PROJECT ORION.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Buggy Virus Perhaps Johnson's augmentation protected him from the airborne spores which can be found in areas that the flood have infested for a long time.[/quote] I think it was a Calcium deficiency that prevented him from being infected, I shall have to consult First Strike again.
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Perhaps Johnson's augmentation protected him from the airborne spores which can be found in areas that the flood have infested for a long time.
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Seeing as John was almost infected in Halo: The Flood, I'm going to assume that S-II's can indeed get infected, though I'm wondering if any of their augmentations would hamper the infection process to any degree at all.
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Those of you still talking about Borens Syndrome and the SI augmentations... READ THE WHOLE THREAD. Thank you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote]Johnson seems to be immune to infection, however, [/quote] There's no evidence of Johnson being immune to infection. He escaped the flood by fighting so well that the flood didn't have the opportunity to try, not by any biological immunity. [/quote] I'm pretty sure Johnson can't be infected by the flood. Something to do with overexposure to radiation from plasma grenades that he used to hold off some covenant.
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By doing the glitch on the last level of Halo 3 you can get Johnson infected, even though he is supposed to be immune to the Flood, to which he will say, "Ain't I immune to this?" Now please quiet down children.
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I wonder what a Flood infection form could actually do to a Spartan if it managed to infect him/her. Specifically I'm wondering if the Carbide Ceramic Ossification bone augmentation would severly hamper any type of forced rapid mutation the Flood infection form may want to impose.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Killed by Pasta [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S_034 Let's get a couple things straight... 1. Boren's Syndrome IS NOT REAL. It is a "spoof" designed by ONI to camouflage the side effects of the SPARTAN-I augmentations, keeping the existence of the project and the identity of its participants secret.[/quote] Wait, what? Proof?[/quote] If xDarkxLordx's link to the Halopedia doesn't assuage your disbelief, it's also explicitly stated in the Halo Encyclopedia (that's the giant $40 book) that Boren's Syndrome is fake. Although most people had assumed that after the Johnson page in the Halo Graphic Novel's gallery. [Edited on 05.28.2010 2:42 PM PDT]
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[quote]Wait, what? Proof?[/quote] [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Boren's_Syndrome]Read this.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S_034 Let's get a couple things straight... 1. Boren's Syndrome IS NOT REAL. It is a "spoof" designed by ONI to camouflage the side effects of the SPARTAN-I augmentations, keeping the existence of the project and the identity of its participants secret.[/quote] Wait, what? Proof?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote]Johnson seems to be immune to infection, however, [/quote] There's no evidence of Johnson being immune to infection. He escaped the flood by fighting so well that the flood didn't have the opportunity to try, not by any biological immunity. [/quote] He survived because of Boren's syndrome, which he acquired from a detonation of plasma grenades.
