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10/29/2005 6:07:31 PM
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Master chief afraid of water?
What's the deal with that?
Why can't Master chief go for a nice swim, cause everytime I want to, he dies a horrible death.
He should be able to swim or something in Halo 3
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i thought surface tension was to do with bubbles and the such? lets conclude this topic - [b][i] no he will sink [/i][/b] .....end of
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the MC dies in water because he isn't allowed to go there. Somebody has to code everything you see so you can't go somewhere that no one has made yet. Maybe someday they can build an FPS as big as the world itself. -or maybe it can have a random map generator that can plant random trees and roads and mailboxes as you wander around aimlessly.
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Poste by: yayfish [quote]or maybe bungie doesnt want us going too far out of the planned course for the game. This is the correct and obvious answer to the initial post.
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This is just rediculous now. Chiefs suit = 1,000 lbs = 1/2 ton. It's in the instruction maunal and in the books.
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its NOT 2 tons of armor, its half a ton. Thank you. :)
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his suit actually weighs half a ton.
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and his bone density... lets just call him a robot... with a few human parts....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Sham [quote]Posted by Jordan117:First of all, the Halo 1 manual says that his suit can "reactively change in density", which should at least help him to float. Also, if the Chief can survive in the vacuum of space, why can't he stay alive in water? That suit is meant to be a self-sustaining environment.[/quote] He could go into water but he would sink. Instead of swimming he could walk on the floor of the water mass he is in. Plus if he fell into a ocean fault he would sink until he reached his crush depth. Even if he didn't sink that far he would never be able to get to the surface because if he left his armour he would be past the human body's crush depth and die. And radio waves can't go through water unless they are Extremely Low Frequency or ELF waves. That is how our submarines get orders to surface and receive more details. So unless you want to have a game consisting of an inescapable, underwater hell, let the Master Chief stick to his natural element of land or his resented but doable environment of space. -King Sham [/quote] If you were a true nerd like me you would Know that the mastercheif is no normal human.He is close to not being human.The augmentations he recieved made his bones virtualy indestructable.His muscle density is insane too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo2stu his suit weighs half a ton thank you.[/quote] I was just about to put that (look in the halo 2 instruction guide at the intro stuff)
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Flood Gulch?
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duck floaties lol... but if they did... then it would be a sea base type thing... with a freight lift to the surface...your in a base... you stop covenant from entering.. you go to the surface base via lift... get on a transport... transport gets blown up... and you sink to the bottom into a cravace only to find that there is a brother to gravemind there...
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Maybe it will be impossible for master chief to lose enough density to be able to display the fact that he is weighing alot. But still, maybe in future Halo projects, the MC will be able to walk underwater, and you can walk back to the shore, instead of just falling in 5 feet below in the water and instantly meeting his death. What about naval battles (I know bungie was thinking about this), and your wartwhale was destroyed? You would have to get back on land! He would have to either walk or have emergency duck floaties.
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yeah... it is more like 1000 pounds... which i doubt would float... as to it is very small compared to other 1000+ pound things that are in the ocean... or we can put it this way.... the water is the ocean in the future is super light and not very dense.... so its the black sea only the complete opposite.... [Edited on 10/30/2005]
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I stand Corrected but his suit is half a ton
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NOT 7 TONS!!! 7 TONS IS EFFING 14000 POUNDs, FOUR TEEN THOUSAND!!! he was 700 pounds at the max [Edited on 10/30/2005]
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yeah... it can change density by getting more then .5 tons... dude... there is no way on earth that a .5 ton object can become less than .5 tons... unless it was filled with a lighter than air gas such as helium... but that would effectively make master chief sound like the people we hate on MM... and in silent cartographer.... he would stop after a while... there is an invisible wall.... go sideways in a warthog... it starts turning.... [Edited on 10/30/2005]
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Edit: Never mind [Edited on 10/30/2005]
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wtf does surface tension have to do with bouyancy???? i mean seriously... unless master chief went off the high dive... surface tension would have nothing to do with it...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrDark - 1st the Chiefs armor ways 1,000 lbs, Thats a half ton, not 2 or 7. Still last time I checked when you drop a 1,000 lbs chunck of anything (especially if it's the size and shape of a person) into water it sinks. The MC's suit may be high tech, but even it can't escape the laws of physics. - Next his suit can reactively change in density true, but it has to do with the gell layer that surrounds his body. Stiffening or soffening the gel layer allows for such thinks as preventing fall damage as seen in the book The Fall of Reach where SPARTANS dropped from a dangerously high alltitude, and there only chance at survival was to over charge there gell layers to the point of nearly crushing them. Many did survive but not with out serious injury. - 3rd, The Chief does sink like a rock as seen after he kills Reget and gets blown off into the water. - 4th the Chiefs suit is self contained, and can withstand emense pressures, as well as the vacume of space. That said he does'nt need to know how to swim he can simply walk around on the bottom. - 5th, This is stupid one could assume he can swim considering it's a must know skill for even basic military training now let alone super soldier training of 500 years from now. Also the fact that you can't swim in the Halo games thus far is simply because the developers don't want you to. If they do decide to allow such a thing in the future then they will come up with an explination for how it's possible, and off we'll go.[/quote] Thank you, I agree completely.
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- 1st the Chiefs armor ways 1,000 lbs, Thats a half ton, not 2 or 7. Still last time I checked when you drop a 1,000 lbs chunck of anything (especially if it's the size and shape of a person) into water it sinks. The MC's suit may be high tech, but even it can't escape the laws of physics. - Next his suit can reactively change in density true, but it has to do with the gell layer that surrounds his body. Stiffening or soffening the gel layer allows for such thinks as preventing fall damage as seen in the book The Fall of Reach where SPARTANS dropped from a dangerously high alltitude, and there only chance at survival was to over charge there gell layers to the point of nearly crushing them. Many did survive but not with out serious injury. - 3rd, The Chief does sink like a rock as seen after he kills Reget and gets blown off into the water. - 4th the Chiefs suit is self contained, and can withstand emense pressures, as well as the vacume of space. That said he does'nt need to know how to swim he can simply walk around on the bottom. - 5th, This is stupid one could assume he can swim considering it's a must know skill for even basic military training now let alone super soldier training of 500 years from now. Also the fact that you can't swim in the Halo games thus far is simply because the developers don't want you to. If they do decide to allow such a thing in the future then they will come up with an explination for how it's possible, and off we'll go.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xplay [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Sham Still I was just pointing out flaws in the idea. Bungie dont usually implement ideas with such huge flaws.[/quote] Lol then why was there a update to fix up glitches?[/quote] We are talking a major gameplay fault that is at the core of the code for the Master Chief not melee strength or grenade power which are both not that important to gameplay.
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Alright, this has gone on too far- Way back when, I believe during the Rennaisence, Archimedes sat into his bath, and realized that the water level rose. He then ran in the streets shouting, "eureka!" (I have found it!) - I know that this has something to do with buoyancy. Something about the displacement of water. Cited from Wikipedia: Buoyancy: In physics, buoyancy is an upward force on an object immersed in a fluid (i.e. a liquid or a gas), enabling it to float or at least to appear to become lighter. If the buoyancy exceeds the weight, then the object floats; if the weight exceeds the buoyancy, the object sinks. If the buoyancy equals the weight, the body has neutral buoyancy and may remain at its level. If its compressibility is less than that of the surrounding fluid, it is in stable equilibrium and will, indeed, remain at rest, but if its compressibility is greater, its equilibrium is unstable, and it will rise and expand on the slightest upward perturbation, but fall and compress on the slightest downward perturbation. It was the ancient Greek, Archimedes of Syracuse, who first discovered the law of buoyancy, sometimes called Archimedes' principle: The buoyant force is equal to the weight of the displaced fluid. Typically, the weight of the displaced fluid is directly proportional to the volume of the displaced fluid (Specifically if the surrounding fluid is of uniform density.) Thus, among objects with equal masses, the one with greater volume has greater buoyancy. Suppose a rock's weight is measured at 10 newtons when suspended by a string in a vacuum. Suppose that when the rock is lowered by the string into water, it displaces water whose weight is 3 newtons. The force it then exerts on the string from which it hangs will be 10 newtons minus the 3 newtons of buoyant force: 10 − 3 = 7 newtons. Buoyancy is the underlying principle of many vehicles such as boats, ships, balloons, and airships. So: The Master Chief + His 2 ton armor + the factor of his density (Mass/Volume) = Sinkage. [Edited on 10/29/2005]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xplay Lol then why was there a update to fix up glitches?[/quote] But they still exist, as can be told.
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His suit is electric...it would shut down, and that's enough reason right there. But, he can't swim because he wears a two ton suit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] einx359 When the MC was 4, he fell in to a pond, and was afraid of water ever since, He can go under water if he wades in, but not if he falls in. The falling in to water gives him a big scare, as well as a big brown lump in his pants. This all amkes him pass out.[/quote] Yes i agree with this. I belive i read this in HALO: the fall of reach. I was also suprised that he can do 200 push ups at the age of 6. Im only 13 and i can barely do 30.(90 degree angle drop)
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Even if you can't swim he should be able to just walk i mean he dose have a 90 min air supply if cut off.
