[quote] one side is, and always has been a better, more polished experience, that being PVE. [/quote] Are you smoking dope man? I understand that this post is about PVP, but the PVE in this game is far from a polished and refined experience. There's a saying amongst raid veterans, even those of whom I've talked to that I have not run raids with, and it goes like this: [i] "It wouldn't be a Destiny Raid without a few glitches."[/i] But I'm sure you want examples. So here's just a few of what we PVE players dealt with throughout the years: Aetheon glitch where less than three people teleported to the oracle phase. This was particularly problematic in Vanilla when you needed all three players in there to kill all the oracles on hard (assuming not everyone was level 30). Templar and Aetheon phase - Oracle glitch where you clearly kill an oracle, but the game doesn't detect it and you fail the phase. Or how about vanishing swords in the Crota raid? They would disappear within 10 seconds of you picking it up. That is, if it didn't fall through the floor.... Or How about Crota chasing you off of the main boss platform in the middle and following you into the Ogre rooms? Or Crota disappearing and re-appearing behind your fireteam in the gem room - that one was always particularly funny... Or the War priest, where you kill one minion, and it goes from X5 to X3, artifically reducing the time you have to DPS him? Or Teleporting ogres during the Oryx challenge? Get the picture? PVE is far from perfect. And that is just the glitches. I haven't even begun to discuss the irrelevance of Destiny's endgame PVE since TTK launched. No elite loot to chase, raid gear is nothing but infusion fuel, no elemental primaries, so what exactly are we playing endgame PVE for? There's nothing great to get. Sure, the raids are fun, but after you finish all the challenge modes a couple times, the novelty wears off and you realize the activity is just pointless, which is very discouraging. Weapon balance? You think it's bad for PVP? In PVE, there is literally NO weapon worth getting excited over, and that is largely due to balancing changes made primarily for PVP purposes. HC's aren't even viable in PVE imo because of limited ammo, limited range, and the fact that several shots of your magazine are wasted via the bloom affect. You have to be a REAL hardcore HC fan to continue to use one in PVE. This might be improved IF they separated PVP balance from PVE... Any weapon that is actually worthwhile is questified so that nobody is "left out," but in doing this, Bungie has removed ANY incentive to do anything harder than a heroic strike - because there is no worthy reward to chase after by way of RNG. And strikes are NOT meat-and-potatoes for PVE players. I don't get online at reset every Tuesday to run 100 strikes. In fact, I don't even get on Destiny - not since RoI Launched, because RoI was just more of the same TTK Formula. When I DID play, I got online at reset excited to do the nightfalls and my raids for a chance at getting the best loot in the game - that is, until I realized that the best loot in the game was from the Vendors, or I had already obtained them by doing the quests... PVE is JUST as problematic as PVP right now, and maybe even moreso as there is quite literally, no incentive to play Endgame PVE anymore. Strikes might not be so bad if the same 2-3 would not keep popping up and ALL STRIKES, including alternative versions of the strike, were available at all difficulty levels, but Bungie made the head-scratching decision to limit your selection based on difficulty. Hhhuuuhhh?!!? Strike rewards should never be better than Endgame rewards, and Endgame rewards should never be reduced to infusion fuel. This isn't to take away from the PVP concerns you highlighted, but it is meant to highlight the PVE issues with this game. As I see it, the ENTIRE GAME, Both PVE [b]and[/b] PVP are really problematic, and it has been ever since TTK launched and they deviated from the Y1 formula. Its so problematic that even though I'm really interested in the Iron Lords storyline, I couldn't justify dropping $30.00 on RoI. I MIGHT be willing to buy it if the price was reduced to $10.00, but that is because there is so little content and so little incentive to repeatedly play endgame PVE that $10.00 reflects the amount of entertainment I would ACTUALLY be getting from the DLC. I probably wouldn't even stick around to get all 3 characters to 400. I'd just play to get one character raid ready, experience the raid/challenge mode a couple times, then move on. Sad to say this, but I got more hours of entertainment playing Defense Grid (a free games with gold game on xbox live) than I would get out of RoI.