I guess your so-called "skilled" players really aren't that skilled after all. No radar and no revives is great. I bet all those "skilled" players would leave and never come back if they took special weapons out of the equation entirely.

Day 1 player. Halo player for 10+ years. 50 in every playlist halo 3. Been rocking with bungie since the beginning, but they been ruining their games since halo reach. Have watched so many amazing players over the years leave bungie because as bungie keeps expanding their goals have changed. Bungie used to cater to good players but now it caters to sales, money, brining in new players, and sucking off those new players so they stay. They do nothing for those that invest time, get good at the game, and even stay with the game through all the bull. bought xbox one for rise of iron after bungie blackmailed me into buying it by removing every possible way to play the game except for classic, just as they did for taken king. I got normal trials for like 3 weeks. Then we get bungies opinion for 3 weeks. Use shotguns, use shotguns again.. then bungie does what they always do: get it wrong. They listen to the forums too hard. They overcompensate everytime. Everytime. They give us a garbage 6v6 map that has basically been REMOVED FROM CRUCIBLE for being acknowledged as a bad map, as our competitive 3v3 map because it is "sniper friendly" to bungie. Its like whoever creates these "fixes" is a five year old. Seriously their responses are always juvenile, underthought, basic af. Did they let one of their kids pick the map from a hat this week? This is what i paid 500 bucks to upgrade for? All of this has been said before by tons of other people too. They just want to take kids from cod and get them to spend their money at eververse. That is ALL bungie cares about. They have proven this. Probably get temp ban for this post as usual, anyone with a brain who can aim and use common sense usually pisses off bungie.

Hahaha, everyone here acting as if trials is the pinacle of pvp games. Cant even go MLG.

So you tell me the scrubs are out? Good.

Waaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. I, for one, enjoy the tears of these douche nozzles.

Skilled ppl were refusing to play it.. apparently their not to -blam!-ing skilled. -blam!- you. This community would be better off without you weekend warriors and your constant -blam!-ing crying.

I am very vocal in saying I am not a big PVPer but I'll give my 2 cents here. So I have only gone Flawless once, and it was a carry from a very skilled friend who wanted to help me get the Grimiore. I don't plan to ever enter ToO again. That said... I normally watch his streams. Normally to show support. So I am no stranger to watching Trials in action. I have watched MANY ToO streams because my goal was to observe then practice enough to help whomever would carry me so I could be of some use. That said... Your comment on maps that promote camping... How is that different from Regular ToO? Folks stealth/hide then shotgun(camping), or they hard scope (which is camping), or they defend 1 room/area (camping). Some call it cheap but honestly...its strategy. The "Skilled" PVPers communicate, strategize, and stick to the plan. They adapt to the maps & teams they are facing. I have watched them noticed full teams of No Land Beyond/Matadors. So they quickly formulate a plan and enact it. When Trials lost radar, they all started wearing different artifacts, and changed their subclasses & perks to make up for it. They Sniped when others mained shotguns. They would flank & etc. They played like skilled players. Right now...not one of them is complaining about Trials They have actually been experimenting on the maps. Coming up with new strategies. Trials isn't a run & gun mode. It from what I have seen...is a mode that is designed to promote teamplay, strategy, paitence, and sometimes critical decisions. It is a Chess game.

You know, I would point out that a skilled player should be able to adapt to using something other than the meta or having to use a radar to know exactly where the enemy is at all times when the necessity arises, but I'm pretty sure it's already been beaten into your face by everyone else here. Instead, I'm just going to congratulate Bungie on successfully tearing a rift between the "skilled" players, who can't survive without their shotguns and radars (and being able to be revived), and the truly skilled players who are able to adapt and shine in such circumstances. To those truly skilled players I tip my hat, and to those who go cry in the forums because Bungie has taken away their crutches I sincerely hope you give these trials a go. Even if you're not good at adapting right now, there are a lot of skills to be learned which will help you both in game and out when put into situations which test your weaknesses. Frankly, I can't help but laugh whenever I read posts on the forums by people talking about how "good" they are when they run around using cookie cutter builds in a game with aim assist (and very heavy aim assist with the right perks) and a radar that shows you where your enemies are if they're within 100 meters of you. I laugh even harder when they go to the forums and cry because Bungie is making them try new things. I'll admit, I'm terrible at pvp in this game. My preferences lean very far towards survival (and team survival) modes while Destiny focuses almost purely on Kamikaze tactics. I also have a tendency to use what I like rather than the meta, but that's just fun and it makes me a smarter player. I may not win every match, and it's not often I'm at the top of the scoreboard, but I love when I get to learn new tactics from a stronger player (often via death) or when I'm forced to adapt to meet challenge. You don't get good at any game by playing the exact same game mode over and over with no variation, nor do you learn anything about your own play style by grabbing the nearest cookie cutter and running with it indefinitely. My guess, you're good with a shotgun in close quarter maps which have plenty of cover. The question now is, can you rise to Bungie's challenge or do you go to the forums and cry until they give you your crutches back?

Lol you crybabies, learn to adapt.Repeating everything every damn week is boring, the rotation and the modifiers that bungie introduced is one of the best ideas to fix the trials nostalgy. I hope more modifiers comes in.

Guess those players and you aren't as skilled as you think you are if you're dodging Trials. Suck it up cupcake, it's just a video game.