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11/4/2016 4:08:00 PM
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Grasp is better. Dragon is a good gun no denying BUT do you even have one yet? I was fortunate and got one last IB. I've compared the Dragon to both my Grasp and Hawksaw. The Dragon comes in second place.
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[quote]Grasp is better. Dragon is a good gun no denying BUT do you even have one yet? I was fortunate and got one last IB. I've compared the Dragon to both my Grasp and Hawksaw. The Dragon comes in second place.[/quote] Then the roll you have on your CD is worse than the ones you have on your other 2 pulses. Its better than both of them with the right perks.
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Sorry we disagree.
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No it's not. When all things are equal it comes down to preference. Grasp fires smoother. That's what I've noticed when comparing. That's why I say it's better. Stat wise guns can be identical but it's how they feel that determines the differences. Did you ever play in year 1 and get a VOC? How about a Fang from Crota? Comparison between these two scouts was often a matter of preference given how close they matched up stat wise despite VOC being full-auto.
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[quote]No it's not. When all things are equal it comes down to preference.[/quote] What you just gave is your opinion. The fact here is that Clever Dragon is the best pulse in the game, so they're not equal at all. It can have more stability than grasp & roll with High Caliber Rounds and not have to sacrifice any stability perks. The way the perk trees are set up is why CD is better than GoM and it isn't even a debate. Lol
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Edited by DexTheBalrog: 11/4/2016 4:55:28 PM"Best" is literally your opinion hahahaha If the base stats of grasp and dragon are the same, then you are literally just giving an opinion. If the time to kill is exactly the same. Then it's literally just your opinion that dragon is "the best" If max stability is your preference over longer range, then "best" is literally just your opinion. Maybe you prefer grasps sights that roll with it? Best, will always be opinion based with guns in the same archetype.
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[quote]"Best" is literally your opinion hahahaha If the base stats of grasp and dragon are the same, then you are literally just giving an opinion. If the time to kill is exactly the same. Then it's literally just your opinion that dragon is "the best"[/quote] Are you dumb? We're not talking about base stats. You should try reading before you comment. Better perks & better stability make it a better gun. Vex Mythoclast was the best gun in the game at a point in time. Is that an opinion or a fact? Do you think before you post? You have to get muted for bringing that high ass level of stupidity into my notifications. Lol
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Sorry, but I gotta jump in here and say that he's right. You say that Clever Dragon is the "best in the game" but that's just merely opinion. To other people, that may not be the case. You equate it to Mythoclast, which was a one-of-a-kind weapon all it's own, which, yes, back in its prime was arguably the best because of its extremely fast TTK, but we're talking about 2 pulse rifles in the same archetype, with similar stats, and arguably, a similar TTK. If both had the same exact roll, the choice would merely come down to personal preference. Which one feels smoother, more stable, more accurate, has a better or more manageable recoil, and which one has better sights.
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Sensible reply. Good. on you for taking the high road. I just about replied back to him but didn't feel like trying to educate.
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Yeah I totally didn't take the high road. I'll gladly get my hands dirty so yours can remain clean haha
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Im trying to make it through a full week without receiving a Ninja warning for making Little Johnny or in this case Lil Spooky cry! When you make them cry they report you and the Ninja's say tsk tsk.
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Haha wow... I haven't received one of those yet... must not be trying hard enough lol. The dude muted me after my first response pointing out that his preference is literally just his opinion. Haha Well you're almost through the week man... you can do it!!!
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I admire you trying to point out that what he considers the best perks, is just his opinion. Lol He doesn't seem to get that. Not all players think high cal rounds is a valuable perk (over a range perk) Not all players need max stability while sacrificing range, when you can have decent stability and Better range. Not all players like the feel of the clever dragon over the grasp... or the sound... or the look. The time to kill is EXACTLY the same. Really don't like people who think their own preferences are facts, and then call people names when they have nothing better to contribute haha.
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Yeah, he's one of those annoying, stubborn "brick wall" types. Hate interacting with them for that very reason. Nothing but a headache to deal with.
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[quote]Yeah, he's one of those annoying, stubborn "brick wall" types. Hate interacting with them for that very reason. Nothing but a headache to deal with.[/quote]
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[quote]Sorry, but I gotta jump in here and say that he's right. You say that Clever Dragon is the "best in the game" but that's just merely opinion. To other people, that may not be the case. You equate it to Mythoclast, which was a one-of-a-kind weapon all it's own, which, yes, back in its prime was arguably the best because of its extremely fast TTK, but we're talking about 2 pulse rifles in the same archetype, with similar stats, and arguably, a similar TTK. If both had the same exact roll, the choice would merely come down to personal preference. Which one feels smoother, more stable, more accurate, has a better or more manageable recoil, and which one has better sights.[/quote] Thats my WHOLE point. They CANT get the same roll. Grasp will never be as good as CD because of the way the perk trees are setup. Grasp cant roll with as much stability & it cant roll with High Caliber Rounds while having stability too. Preference does not matter when statistically & perk wise one gun is better than the other. Its just that simple.
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You don't understand that there is no definable characteristic of the "BEST" when it comes to guns that require a PERSONAL PREFERENCE to rate. Calling me names because you don't understand basic definitions of words and applied logic only further proves the point. You are talking about the "best" possible perk combination attainable... but guess what... those perk combinations being the "best" is YOUR OPINION. Not all players value MAX stability over better range... hence YOUR OPINION. And yes FEEL of the weapon is also a preference when determining a personal opinion for "best weapon" Best is all relative because not all players have the same preference. I don't expect you to understand the logic... but if the sole purpose of the weapon is to kill an enemy in the quickest way possible, then the dragon and grasp are literally the same (time to kill is exactly the same) so it comes down to PERSONAL OPINION. [spoiler]i don't mute idiots, I try and educate them [/spoiler]
