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Skolas was a nightmare when it first came out...only end game boss to get nerfed as well.
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  • They nerfed his health to compensate after removing burns. Not really a nerf.

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  • Taking away the burns in the first place was a nerf.

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  • Edited by Benzene21: 10/27/2016 5:38:22 AM
    Mmmm burns actually helped players. So if that's a nerf, it was a nerf to help the enemy, not the players! Skolas was defeated in what, 1 minute with solar burn? lol arc burn was tough yes, but you forget that primary weapons had elemental burn, and one with arc was called fatebringer. I'm sure you have heard of it. So yeah, burns helped players more than it hurt them. It was not a nerf to make things easier for players.

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  • Edited by PaulM1c3: 10/27/2016 2:39:17 PM
    Yeah it was. It was virtually impossible without specific weapons, that's why they changed it. And fatebringer on skolas? There was only one option for arc burn and that was a high impact sniper like efrideets spear or the ldr. Without these you couldn't kill him before the ads spawned which usually meant wiping. Yes people killed him quickly, but that's cos it was impossible to stay alive with either solar or arc burn on to actually play the fight properly. It was only doable via a cheese, to play the fight as intended was far easier after they took away the burns so it was a nerf.

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  • Specific weapons that people used anyway regardless of burns. Fatebringer for enemies, obviously and as I said, if you failed to kill him fast during arc burn (solar burn wasn't so bad since skolas was the only one with solar attacks and there was a LOT of cover from his attacks), you could always use the room for cover.

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  • No you needed specific weapons and not everyone had them. That was one of the main reasons they nerfed it as people without gjallarhorn were being excluded. Arc burn required certain snipers - 3 patience and times didn't cut it. They changed Skolas cos most people weren't beating it and the ones that were were using gear to cheese it. How is that not a nerf?

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  • lmao skolas was being killed in less than a minute. THAT is why they removed burns. People wanted to use that strat, so they asked for ghorn players. THAT is why they removed burns. Those specific weapons with burns weren't hard to get. If I am not mistaken, the arc LDR was sold by the vanguard. The first time I beat skolas, it was during void burn week and I didn't even use truth or a void special and my team still beat it. How? Because we went to the hiding place and took our time to beat skolas. Skolas was not hard if you knew when to attack and when to hide. You cannot do this with raid bosses.

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  • LDR stopped being sold at the vanguard when Dark Below came out and was impossible to obtain in HoW. The only gun available for this purpose in HOW was efrideets spear and many people either didn't have it or didn't have a roll that would work. No amount of hiding will protect you in the arc burn fight. Dregs two shot you, vandals one shot and captains melee you the minute you stand still. Killing skolas quickly was a cheese BECAUSE it was so difficult. To play the fight as intended with the poison and the mines with arc burn was virtually impossible, they took away the cheese and adjusted the fight to fit this. To play the fight cheese-free as intended with a burn is far more difficult than playing it without burns, which is why it was a nerf. I'm not interested in your opinion on other raid bosses and whether or not Skolas is easy, this is about whether or not the changes they made to him constitute a nerf, and as they made doing the fight properly easier there is no argument that it was anything but.

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  • Edited by Benzene21: 10/27/2016 3:56:27 PM
    LDR was a dark below weapon that the vanguard sold, so what are you talking about?? Killing skolas in a minute wasn't a cheese btw. You are still there where enemies can kill you. You still have the poison. You still have to dismantle mines, and you kill skolas with your weapons, no glitch, nothing. Where is the cheese, exactly? You were able to do this because you had extra damage, and you could kill the enemies faster than they could kill you. In other words, it was easier with burns. With arc, you could still do what you do without burns. You just hide in that room and if someone dies, wait for revive. How hard is that?

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  • LDR was a vanilla weapon and either way was still unavailable when Skolas came out. You don't have the poison because you kill him before it affects you. I never saw any group play the fight properly with arc burn no matter how much they hid. The enemies killed you faster because there are more of them and they do triple damage. In other words it was harder with burns if you played the fight as intended. About 5 weapons made it possible to cheese him and kill him before ads/poison/mines spawn but without them you were fcked. Any moron could beat it after they removed the burns if they took their time. Bungie specifically said that they changed it cos people weren't beating it.

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