It'll get better. The only difference between this raid and the previous ones is everyone seems to be very impatient for the obvious learning curve that comes with every new raid. I had lfg groups that would hang in there for hours when Oryx first dropped, and by doing so, became adept at the mechanics and timing nuances. By the middle to end of that raids life, I often had better luck with lfg groups than "created from friends" raid groups. Why? Because people knew the mechanics. They had learned the raid. This new raid was out for two hours and people were rage quitting after 1 or 2 wipes. I can't understand the impatience that is rampant in this particular raid. It's going to take time people. In a month, almost everyone will be waltzing through this raid and begging for new content. This next part is more of a public service announcement than directed at you, Frank, since you never stated any of this yourself. It's just a general attitude I notice on these forums amongst some: If you can't be bothered to take the time to let people learn, that's your prerogative, but then don't lfg. Certainly don't come to forums and bitch about how everyone's stupid and can't reach your God level of gaming "talent". This epidemic is part of what causes people to struggle: they feel pressed to perform by elitist jerks so they panic and rush. Play the game. Have fun. Stop pretending your super-skills at a video game have any importance. Get a job and a life and maybe you'll gain some perspective.