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10/21/2016 7:39:24 PM
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Any legitimate arguments against voter ID?
No malice or sarcasm, I seriously want to hear any and all arguments against voter ID.
I have yet to hear a legitimate argument as to why anyone, ANYONE would be opposed to requiring an ID to vote when one is required to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, buy m-rated video games, buy a gun, apply for Medicaid, apply for social security, apply for a job, apply for unemployment, open a bank account, buy/rent a home, buy/rent/drive a car, pick up a medical prescription, hunt, fish, get married, hold a protest and more.
If you say because voter ID is racist back it up with something.
I live in the predominantly black city of New Orleans everyone I know is black and everyone I know has an id.
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[quote]buy a gun[/quote] I was under the impression they came as Happy Meal toys in America.
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2 RepliesEdited by Cool Pretzel: 10/24/2016 4:37:32 AMMany people, mainly poorer people (who are disproportionately minorities) don't have ID available, and they don't have time to get an ID. Some would say that Republicans want voter ID laws is because they can exclude minorities who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, or that proponents of those laws are racist because they don't want minorities to vote.
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1 ReplyThe pic on my DL isn't the most flattering. Pretty good reason right there.
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12 RepliesEdited by CurvedBubbles: 10/23/2016 6:57:04 PMAgree 100% it's absolutely ridiculous. I went in and early voted, all I needed to know was the address where I lived and I could've been anybody. So messed up. For Christ's sake I need my student ID to play intramural sports, but I don't need one to vote?!?! HAHAHAH
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1 ReplyEdited by Britton: 10/22/2016 2:14:12 PMIf people are genuinely concerned about voter fraud they would be far more concerned with these voting machines instead of making laws creating more hoops to jump through to participate in democracy.
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7 RepliesEdited by Vgnut: 10/23/2016 8:23:55 PMBecause some of the laws are much more draconian than this innocent notion of simply showing ID. In North Carolina for example, where this issue is particularly politicized as what was once a red state has now turned purple maybe even leaning blue, you have axing of early voting, axing out of precinct voting, axing voter registration on election day, being more strict about what type of ID you can use. You have to understand that the term "voter ID laws" is also misguided as it tends to go hand in hand with other practices used to cut avenues to voting. These voter ID laws that are passed often involve more restrictions than simply what ID you can or can't use. They are usually designed, as was the case in North Carolina where the laws were struck down, to suppress African American voters that tend to favor registration on election day, out of precinct voting, and early voting.
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11 RepliesThe fact is, they will never stop grasping at straws to guarantee our elections have the security and integrity of a pop up Internet poll. Fraud is too valuable to give up. Time is a non issue because they have 2 years between elections to get paperwork together and apply for an ID. If they can't get any free time between elections, then there's no way in hell they're going to waste time voting to begin with. Money is trivial. At most a small sum for the paperwork to apply for the ID since most voter ID laws already provide free licenses for poor people. More over, there are plenty of organizations that can help these people if they really want to vote. And yes, you're right. You basically need an ID to function in society. They can't even get help from the govt without one. Seriously, this isn't a bad law to make them get something to improve their lives. So more or less, Voter ID opposition guarantees that people can't and won't improve their lives while also guaranteeing fraudulent votes for Democrats.
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9 RepliesIf you're someone who was born in a hospital, has a car, and has one job; it's incredibly easy to get a state issued ID and it's understandable why you would think the same for everyone else. Now imagine you are in a different situation. You are a natural born citizen but you were born at home and so you don't have a birth certificate. You don't have a car and you have to work three jobs in order to support your family. Let's imagine what this person has to do just to get an ID. First you need a birth certificate. It's definitely possible to get one as an adult, but it's not easy. First of all it's not free, you do have to pay for it. Second of all, you have to track down or acquire several other documents to prove you are a citizen. Third of all, this all takes time. Ok, now you have to actually get an ID. The BMV is open 7-3 on weekdays. Most people can just take an afternoon off work to go get one but you're working three jobs with no vacation. You can't miss any work or you'll be fired and your family might be in trouble. So yes, it's always possibly to get an ID but for some people, it's an enormous barrier in front of voting. Unfortunately, almost all of the people affected by this are minorities. Since minorities overwhelmingly vote democratic, you only ever see republicans pushing these lawns.
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4 RepliesIt's illegal for non citizens to vote in an election so asking for ID to ensure you are a citizen makes perfect sense. Unless, of course, you want to allow voter fraud. Am I right? My grandparents are voting for Hillary this year and it makes me so mad that I can't talk to them about it. (because they're dead)
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I have to prove who I am before I; buy a gun, buy a car, get a fishing license, rent/buy a house, own a business, get a job, BUT I don't need to prove who I am before voting to elect someone into the most powerful position in the world. Makes sense.
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I always though it was necessary.
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6 RepliesThe only time voter ID is a bad thing is in states where that ID costs you how ever many dollars to get it. Sone people cant afford that & as a result it stops a certain demographic from voting. Normally poor familes in hardline christian states.
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3 RepliesOnly sleeze ball democrats are against it because they want all the millions of illegal mexicans to vote for them
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Because then the elections can't be rigged. Everyone blows off Donald Trump for saying it, but the fact is that elections have been rigged many times before. In fact the entire American gov. is rigged. It's a sad time where we can do nothing about it because we can only infer on the matter and if someone finds real info, they disappear.
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8 RepliesI find it interesting that Conservatives want voter ID laws that infringe upon the right to vote, but simultaneously rail against anything that could possibly be construed as infringement when it comes to the second amendment. Hmm.
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Edited by Cultmeister: 10/23/2016 10:08:19 AMWell here in the U.K. you have to register as a voter, and then when an election comes around you are allocated a specific place to go and vote (within a certain distance of your registered address), and when you go there they tick your name off a big list. Not on the list then you can't vote. One voter, one place to vote, one vote. There is no need for IDs in our case. Voter fraud happens but that's to do with people having multiple addresses, and isn't that significant anyway.
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1 ReplyBecause then democrats can't bus people around to vote repeatedly
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If we just convinced democrats that illegals vote conservative they'd pass voter ID laws and close that border.
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4 RepliesIn Canada we just use a driver's license
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1 ReplyHere in Australia, you go to a polling place based on your electorate and you have your name ticked off a list, no ID needed whatsoever, it's that easy.
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4 RepliesI asked my mom (a moderate democrat)this question and she responded with "The only problem with it is that lots of old people don't have valid IDs because they don't drink, drive, or buy guns etc. If there could be a way to tally all the elderly together easily I would be 100% behind it". Interesting take of the subject that reminds me that my parents are wise beyond their years.
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2 RepliesYou guys [i]don't[/i] need ID? Or are people arguing that such a rule should be removed?
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Edited by gethyn007: 10/22/2016 9:20:39 PMIsn't it supposed to be racist or some BS? Funny, 'cause the only racist thing I can see is that it is racist to say it is racist. Think about it. These idiot lefties are basically saying minorities are voting for Democrats, and they're either poor or they are illegal aliens and that they are so stupid and incompetent (or illegal) that they can't even go get a freakin ID like everyone else has to. I mean, seriously? LOL We have to have a photo ID to drive a car, but it isn't fair to make us have a photo ID to help decide the fate of our entire country??? How the crap is trying to eliminate voter fraud and trying to make sure our citizens - each and every one, regardless of what or who they are - are the ones voting?? Liberals have like, no common sense, I swear...
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17 RepliesYes, a few. Flaw #1, which is the most important, is that Voter ID laws are a solution to a statistically-insignificant problem that would disenfranchise voters. Voter fraud is not a problem. The number of documented cases of voter fraud is minimal. The number of people that would be effected by instituting Voter ID laws would drastically outweigh the number of cases of prevented voter fraud. Flaw #2 is that Voter ID laws disproportionately effect minorities, the poor, the elderly, and the disabled. If we decide that government-issued photo ID's are required to vote, people who do not already have a photo ID need to acquire one. Adults who do not already have a photo ID are, by and large, poor and often of a minority group. Consequently, those adults need to acquire a photo ID, and need to visit their local DMV in order to acquire one. Not all areas are blessed with numerous functional DMV offices that are open every day of the week, and withing a reasonable distance. Someone who is poor, elderly, or disabled, may not have the means or ability to take time off of work, take questionably-reliable public transportation, and spend their day at the DMV when they could be at work. Flaw #3 is that the 24th Amendment exists. Since government-issued photo ID's are not free, someone would need to pay for one in order to vote. The 24th Amendment specifically prohibits a poll tax, which means you have to pay something in order to vote. Flaw #4 is that Voter ID laws would disenfranchise voters who tend to cast votes for liberal politicians and policies.
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I don't get it either. It falls in the same line as gun background checks for me. Sure, it may be a small inconvenience, but it can help prevent something bad from happening.
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Voter ID in 2016? Are you KIDDING ME?
