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Edited by Vithastral:
10/19/2016 3:34:27 PM
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Does not reviving a dead ghost allow it to revive its guardian...
We have revived many ghosts which would mean they in return should be capable of reviving their guardian shouldn't it?
Working with this premise in mind that would mean for instance that at least one of the Iron Lords who died in Site 6/Iron Tomb should be resurrect-able as we find their ghost during our escape. In that case which Iron Lord would you like to see resurrected? Jolder perhaps being the most likely as the only other Iron Lord with screen time? At any rate it still begs the question why don't revived ghosts revive their guardians? Or do they but only after they teleport away after being revived and we may yet see Jolder walk through the door as Efrideet did (yes she hadn't died) but Saldin didn't know she was alive either.
Edit: Great theories all; so as it's been purposed and as Bungie seems to tell it a ghost "reactivates long enough download information," but this isn't written in stone so that leaves open possibilities to the story writers. Perhaps a legendary group of warlocks like Praxis will find a way to restore a ghosts light or as originally purposed they are restored when we revive them. But I like where you're all going with this.
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Edited by E Sword of LORD: 10/27/2016 5:59:51 AMIt may be the Traveler maintains a rotation system of ghosts and and guardians to enhance learning about how best to keep guardians safe. The traveler may keep the public grimore attached to ghosts but your legend the Traveler maintains direct responsibility for. This would explain our understanding of the ghost balancing our 3 guardians.
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1 ReplyGuardian finds dead ghost in a room filled with skeletons in the cosmodrome He revives the ghost Ghost: oh thanks for that I have been dead for centuries Guardian: anytime, are you going to revive your guardian Ghost: yes Ghost and guardian stand in awkward silence Guardian: you forgot witch one of these body's was your guardian, didn't you Ghost: yep
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1 ReplyPerhaps it did revive Lady efrideet
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I've always thought that when we "revive" ghosts, it's like... A fresh boot of a computer's RAM. RAM, unlike ROM, doesn't hold memory without energy coursing through it, and I don't personally think light and energy are the same thing, in this scenario. So, in essence, these revived ghosts cannot "remember" their previous guardians long enough to res them.
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34 RepliesI want Radegast to be alive...better than Saladin any day.
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2 RepliesI would assume a ghost is like a computer. When a computer "dies", it's hardware is wiped. Therefore, the ghost might not have recollection of its guardian. For example, pratdeth (sp? From VoG), we found him and his ghost (I think) but he had been dead hundreds of years. Just speculation....
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1 ReplyCan't revive a skeleton buddy.
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Not per se. The biggest factor in this is Light. If the Ghost is out of Light, it will "die" in the way we find it. We'll wake it with a shiver of our own Light, allowing it to return to the Traveler. If a Guardian runs out of Light, however, the Guardian will no longer be able to be revived. Pretty much how a Hardmode Raid works. Nor will the Guardian be able to use special skills, as if you'd be within the radius of a Blight.
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3 RepliesThe way I always understood it, reviving a dead Ghost is more like putting a spirit to rest. You wake it up one last time to recover what it knows, it uses the last of it's light to tell you, and then it passes on into the Great Unknown.
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6 RepliesGuardian and Ghost each have an amount of light. Ghost has its light, Guardian has its light, and they share it. But if a Ghost is drained of all its light, the next death the Guardian has is its last. If a Guardian is drained of all their light, they cannot be revived. They revert back to where they were before initial resurrection. So, it's just the Ghost and no Guardian then. Reviving these Ghosts may not mean literal revival, and it may actually mean extracting info and memories. Yet, if a Ghost has little light and it is restored, that does not mean it can revive its Guardian, do to it being drained as well.
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Radeghast.
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When a ghost is killed, it is dead for good. When you revive a ghost you simply power it up enough (using your own light I assume) to extract memories and info, hence ghost fragments. Since the guardian's ghost is dead, they have no one to revive them. This is why Eris stays in the tower all the time. She lost her ghost so now it's too big a risk for her to go out onto the field of battle. If she were to die, she would be permanently dead.
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7 RepliesIf you destroy a Guardian's ghost (which is insanely difficult according to the lore), the Guardian supported by said ghost dies permanently. Not a huge lore expert though, so I couldn't tell you how accurate this is.
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Not actually reviving that ghost. Just powering and extracting info
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1 ReplyHas anyone got up close to holder and the other Siva guardians? Cause they look creepy as hell
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The whole revive dead ghost I think means activate it so it can give us info. They are so far gone it could be they can't be revived entirely.
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9 RepliesMy theory: A Guardian and a Ghost a have bond together. If they are separated for too long, they will both die and cannot be resurrected by each other. The reason I say this is because in the Nightstalker quest line, a Guardian (can't remember his name) is separated from his Ghost and he is sent to the Black Garden where we have to try to save him. The Guardian was separated from his Ghost for very little time, but it died and we had to resurrect it. So if a Guardian is separated from their Ghost by great distance or by a certain amount of time, it will die and will not be able to revive their Guardian, who will most likely die without their Ghost. Just a theory though.
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I think gheleon woyld be quite cool to see
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2 RepliesAs Guardians we can wield light but we havent discovered a way to give our light to others. When we revive a dead ghost, we're essentially scrapping the ghost for whatever information it has and in return it goes back to being light itself. That light probably returns to the Traveller, which is then made into a whole new ghost for a new guardian.
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2 RepliesI don't think revive and dead are good words for the ghosts. Think of it as more....reactivate and drained. Once they lose their light, they probably are no more than basic machines with a general record.
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I think you're vastly overestimating how much the ghosts are revived. Considering we get a small fragment from each one rather than their full data bank, I would guess that we restore them to 1% of their light to retrieve their last memory and then they die again. Light acts like a resources, so what ever light we put into the dead ghosts take away from our reserve, thus we can't restore them fully.
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I've always thought that ghosts are our selves but from before the collapse, which is why they look for each individually, but without knowing the bond we had, just feeling it. So it might be possible that it can still revive if soon, but the longer the time the more the darkness severed that connection, to the point where we can't be revived.
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They are dead, we take whatever info is left in them. They are dead, we do not transmute, exhume, rehabilitate, revive, resuscitate, fix, save or any other word you might think of that means bring back to life.
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I'm pretty sure we just transmat the ghosts for studying their memories. They're still dead.
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5 RepliesRadegast. Bring radegast back. He is by far the most interesting and bad ass iron lord.
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Whoever the leader was again, I think it was radegasr.
