JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

Destiny

Discuss all things Destiny.
10/16/2016 8:25:23 PM
40

Why did the Traveler abandon the Fallen?

Just a lore question
English
#Destiny #lore

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by bobswerski: 10/17/2016 4:51:03 AM
    Ignoring all the Rasputin fanboys who still want to make the Traveler the bad guy and (despite the story from every Bungie FPS ever) the AI the good guy, let's look at the books of sorrow. The one time we have specific mention of the Traveler being around is the Hive conquest of the Ammonite (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xix-crusaders) which seems to be one of the first civilizations she empowers. The Hive annihilated them, killed the Leviathan, and [i]then[/i] the Traveler left. Of all people, the Hive would be the ones to paint the Traveler in a bad light but they don't mention the Traveler leaving like a coward at the first sign of danger, only at the point of total defeat. In this case, I guess you could argue she might have been protecting the leviathan and not the Ammonite, but lets move on to the next example we have. The Dakaua/Ecumene (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxv-dictata-ir-dakaua) have the same caedometric paracausal weapons. The Traveler probably provided the technology too, but is not mentioned as being around or abandoning them. The Ecumene actually seem to come closer than anyone besides us to stopping the Hive (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxvi-star-by-star-by-star) but once Oryx gets the power to "take" it's all over. (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxvii-eat-the-sky) Again, no mention of the Traveler being there and fleeing. The Traveler tries something else with The Harmony. Before moving on, she makes the Gift Mast, a weapon containing her actual Light, and powered by a supermassive black hole, to protect them. (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xlv-id-shut-them-all-in-cells) Note that the Harmony are quite powerful and their civilization very much intact when the Traveler leaves as the Hive do not mention encountering her when they attack the gift mast. Unfortunately by this point the Hive are so strong they wipe them out anyway. (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xlvi-the-gift-mast) Presumably the Traveler learns from these mistakes and decides that simply empowering civilizations is not enough, and decides to make a stand in our system (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-the-traveler-2) Whether it's due to humanity specifically or the presence of the Black Garden being in this system is unclear but I'd actually guess the latter was a bigger deal if you really want my honest opinion since that's where the real battle takes place in the collapse and Rasputin calls the Traveler "the gardener" (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-mysteries) Now, I can't say exactly what happened to the Eliksni (or even when), but I think it's just the same, she seeded their civilization and then moved on to the next world to lift up. This was before, not during, the whirlwind. Think about this. Skolas is a pretty salty dude, right? Even he doesn't blame the Traveler for abandoning them or causing the whirlwind (http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-fallen-3) It sounds to me like the survivors of the whirlwhind figured out the Traveler was here and came in hopes that rejoining with her could restore their civilization. Only the flavor text of the Doom of Chelchis ("Where is the Great Machine?!") makes any reference that might be construed as her absence being directly related, but that statement can be interpreted multiple ways.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

    30 Replies
    • Edited by Art of Illusion: 10/18/2016 3:38:51 PM
      From what I understand from the Grimoire, here's basically how it went if everything was a single person. (Note I didn't really do the races in order) [spoiler]Traveler: Aight, I'm bout to go around the universe and ascend a bunch of civilizations. Ammonites: Ay bro can I get some of that light you got? Traveler: Ay sure bro I got chu, here's some other cool shit too. Ammonites: Aight thanks br- Oh shit the goddamn Hive found us! Traveler: Oh f*ck dat shit I'm outta here Ammonites: AW HELL NAH Leviathan: Oh shit we leavin? Aight I'm goin. Hive: Oh no you ain't! *kills Leviathan* (later) Traveler: Ay whassup I got some light, you want in? Harmony: You know it Traveler: Aight imma hook you up Harmony: Wait, tf is that? Traveler: OH SHIT DAS THE MUHFUGGIN HIVE. Aight, peace out. Harmony: WAIT WTF, BITCH BETTER GET YO FAT ASS BACK HERE Traveler: Aight hold up, I'm bout to give y'all this here Gift Mast, we good? Harmony: ... Aight, yeah we good. Hive: *starts attacking the Harmonious Fleet* Harmony: Attack! Hive: *destroys most of Harmonious Fleet* Harmony: oh shit... Hive: *topples the Gift Mast* Harmony: ALL HOPE IS LOST! *drowns themselves* (later) Traveler: Ay, who you? Eliksni: Ay we dem Eliksni Traveler: Aight here some light my bruh Eliksni: Ah sick thanks brah, I'm bout to live in peace and tranquility with dis shit ya feel me? Traveler: Yah I feel ya Hive: I don't muhfuggas, feel my wrath, ya bitch ass aliens Traveler: HAH, YEET Eliksni: WHERE DU FUQ MY ***** GO?! Chelchis: Ay bruh it's all cool I got this Oryx: *shows up* Chelchis: Aw shit, we dead (later) Traveler: Psst... psst! Humanity: Woah! What are you? Traveler: I'm a god, bitch, now you want the good shit or naw? Humanity: Aw hell yeah Traveler: Aight there ya go Humanity: Aight sweet Darkness: HAHAW HELL NAH TRAVELER, WE FOUND YOUR ASS Traveler: DAMMIT Humanity: AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH Traveler: WHY DOES THIS KEEP- nah, you know what? I'm f*cking outta here. Rasputin: *holds up gun on Traveler* you ain't goin anywhere, pansy ass bitch Traveler: Aw, f*ck you! Shit well I'll guess I'll just hang here and slowly try to regain my Light[/spoiler]

      Posting in language:

       

      Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

      6 Replies
      • Here comes Oryx, ready to blow the traveller to $h!t. And it decides to dip out and away from them.

        Posting in language:

         

        Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

      • I think my name is byf did a YouTube video on this

        Posting in language:

         

        Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

      • From the description of the Kings fall weapon Doom of Chelchis I believe it was because the Hive were coming.

        Posting in language:

         

        Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

        2 Replies
        • The traveler is a little bitch and as soon as it sees even the slightest bit of danger it dips out. That's why Rasputin damaged it to make it stay on earth and actually grow some back bone instead of leaving. It's philosophy is to preserve life no matter what, even if that means abandoning a whole race.

          Posting in language:

           

          Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          3 Replies
          • Their memes weren't dank enough

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • They are members of the film actors guild.

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • Darkness came to kill the Traveler so he ran like a -blam-. I bet he would have done the same with us. Who ever crippled him is the reason Guardians exist.

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • The darkness was coming.

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • Darkness was coming the traveler was going to leave us as well but Rasputin was able to lock it down and that's why its floating over the last city

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • He just needed to try something new. It is like when you have a favorite cereal. Lucky Charms for example. You love Lucky Charms. You enjoy eating them every morning and you have enjoyed doing so for years. But one day your are walking down the cereal aisle, when you see some Coco Puffs, and decide that maybe you would like to eat that in the morning for a while. It does not mean that there is anything wrong with the Lucky Charms, you still love them. But after eating them for so long, you just feel you need a change.

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          • From what I understood the fallen tried to pump their ether into the traveler

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            4 Replies
            • Well my dear, the traveler likes to bless races with a surge of technological advancements, and the hive and darkness like to chase the traveler and kill those it helps. The traveller runs away before it arrives. But chose to stay and help us, it's debatable that maybe Rasputin had something to do with it staying but I believe Ras was willing to do it but never had to.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • Simple utilitarian thought. Long story short the Darkness wants to wipe out all life in existence, and the Traveler is the only entity in existence capable of stopping it. If the Traveler dies life is doomed. It may take billions of years to happen, but without the Traveler all life will go extinct in the universe. When Oryx and or the Darkness arrived in the Fallen's home-system the Traveler realized it hasn't had enough time and still hadn't found an effective countermeasure. If it fought with the Fallen it was going to lose, and if it lost all life lost. It reasoned that it's better to live to fight another day to give other life a chance than to die fighting with a species that is doomed anyways.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • The traveller was made by the darkness, but it rebelled and escaped. Escaping it didn't overcome its fear of it. So when the darkness came to get the traveller back, it left the fallen and came to earth. It tried to escape us but Rasputin shot it down.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • Self preservation. The Traveller views itself as the polar good in the universe and it must survive above all else.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • He got sick of their shit.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • We are like power rangers. Think about it. Traveler = guy in blue crystal thing.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

              7 Replies
              • Oryx.

                Posting in language:

                 

                Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

              • Edited by GameNerd300: 10/18/2016 3:02:29 AM
                In short, she was scared and ran until she met us. When the darkness came she "stood" and fought. [spoiler] either the darkness or Rasputin -blam!-ed her up, or both. We don't really know.[/spoiler]

                Posting in language:

                 

                Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                2 Replies
                • They cut off their arms. I'd leave them too.

                  Posting in language:

                   

                  Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                  2 Replies
                  • Everything you need to know about the fallens collapse. There's even pictures. And its all pulled from lore, in a story form.

                    Posting in language:

                     

                    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                  • From what I understand, they had a "Collapse" incident like us. I believe Oryx was behind it, since he's been conquering worlds beyond number. This caused them to become what they are now. Scavengers. Fallen. Oryx was responsible for their world being destroyed, and not only did we kill the god of the hive who's been feeding in light, we also got justice for the fallen. Then they try to kill us again

                    Posting in language:

                     

                    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                  • Traveler?.. now that's a name I haven't heard since 2014

                    Posting in language:

                     

                    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                  • Maybe because it started to realize the fallen were starting to abusing the power and we're becoming evil. Maybe the Darkness was coming; so it fled for its own survival but ended up abandoning the fallen at the same time.

                    Posting in language:

                     

                    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

                    1 Reply
                    You are not allowed to view this content.
                    ;
                    preload icon
                    preload icon
                    preload icon