ummm.. coming from a "well below avg" crucible player and Y1 dude. it was easy back then too. just took a little longer. void shotty\heavy on control and just hang near zone B. play it safe instead of crazy. or just you an some buddies jump into free for all. and stand still lol I'm sure the guys that had atheon ep' prior to getting the thorn had an easier time. But Thorn was my very first exotic. only took a weekend to complete.