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Edited by JHarv:
10/6/2016 4:56:54 PM
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It's only stupid because it demonstrates how unbalanced shotguns are.
Well, I should say, how insanely bad primaries are by comparison.
Primaries need a massive buff. 2 tap kills with hand cannons, 4-5 shot kills with high impact autos...
You just can't compete with the shotgun Rush. Even if you're accurate with your primary, which is hard enough vs a moving target, players just tank your bullets and shotgun you.
And if you're too far away, they just veer off around a corner and run away and try to find another guy to shotgun rush.
Its absolutely ridiculous. I've never played such a fundamentally flawed pvp game before. You make a permanent radar and primary weapons insanely feeble and wonder why you have to nerf shotguns 4 separate times, and blink, and special ammo, etc, and STILL don't have it right.
Its completely baffling.
I really want to see a chart of all the weapons used this banner like they have posted in the past.
I guarantee you'll see the Matador at #1 by a massive margin. And then they'll "tune" shotguns again. And the same frigging process will repeat. Over 2 years later, the same shit is going on over and over and over...
EDIT Thanks for the support. Glad people also see PvP in Destiny through my eyes
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Edited by KllerJ: 10/6/2016 4:18:40 AM2 words. Assembly II. Get the vendor roll and enjoy what happens when someone tries to rush you. [spoiler]why am I telling people this?[/spoiler]
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Somebody understands what I have been saying for ages and honestly the maps don't help either the majority of them are for borderline mid range to close range and the only map I like on the entire game is shores of time because it has a mixture of everything and not a billion different rooms on 1 map. Bungie keeps changing weapons that much that I can't even keep up with most of it and all this weapon balancing hasn't balanced anything this iron banner is more proof than you could ever need and I've also been saying this for ages aswell. I don't normally play pvp alot compared to most people but it's blatantly obvious to see what is wrong with the game right now primaries are absolutely horrendous and need buffs big time especially auto rifles, remove the stupid bloom from hand cannons and make primaries as a whole worth using. I had to use the plan c in this iron banner to get kills and I barely used my primaries because they just suck so much it's unreal.
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Couldn't agree more. It's absolutely amazing that 3 years later this is still wrong. Honestly, even with suros, it was better in vanilla. If they'd just toned down suros, pocket infinity and the vex a little bit it would be spot on.
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Nobody that plays destiny wants that fast of a ttk on primaries. Go play call of duty for that. This game isn't meant to play like call of duty so stop trying to make it like that. It's not a twitch shooter.
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You say go play Crap of Duty, yet what do you -blam!-ing think this is now? Kill confirmed Shotgun garbage.
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Let me know when call of duty has the abilities and perks that destiny has. Just because they have similar game modes does not mean they are the same. If you dont like it don't play it. Simple as that.
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Ummmmm you mean when Call of Duty gets boost jumping, sliding, and super abilities? Which it has RIGHT FKING NOW?!
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No when call of duty has blink and elemental damage and grenades that track on their own or behave in very different ways then recharge out of pure light. Or When call of duty has bubbles and overshields and all the other 90% of things in destiny you left out because they don't support your opinion. Enough said.
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OK it can't be exactly identical. But wtf, elemental weapons? Because that matters in Pvp. Fundamentally the games are the same. Power moves that can wipe a few players on single use. Slide to gap close Boost jump to disorient opponents and get above them so they can't spot you when you spin. Only they have primaries that actually so damage. Destiny has primaries that you tank while you charge with your shotty or duck behind a corner.
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Clearly you want cod. I suggest playing black ops three if it has the primaries you desire. Pre order infinite warfare while you're at it. We won't miss you.
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Actually you will, because the more players leave this game, the worse it'll get. You want people to continue to subsidize the beta
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Nah removing a bad Apple is good for the group. Rise of iron brought plenty to replace you, sorry bud. Toodles.
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Your analogy makes no sense. Stay in school
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Yes it does rotten apples release pheromones that cause others to rot faster. If you went to school you would know that. Good try though.
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Edited by JHarv: 10/7/2016 3:59:02 AMYou don't understand what an analogy is. I don't need a description of what apples do when they rot. How does it apply to my situation? How am I a bad apple? Am I somehow influencing those around me in a negative way? I'm simply calling a spade a spade and bring attention to the problem. Primaries are trash. And you like dicks.
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Oh good insult at the end. Are ypu flustered because you know im right? We dont need anymore crybabies so yes you ARE a bad Apple and you leaving the group would benefit is because we would have less nerfs with less of you. Thanks for trying bud.
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I'm asking for buffs. You're a ninny
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You say that yet everyone seems to gravitates towards one shot kill weapons (mostly shotguns) to avoid the slow ttk of primary weapons. Supremacy is bad for this. Shotgun rushing seems to be encouraged in this game mode.
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Yeah that's cause it is. Just like sniping is encouraged in trials. Thats not to say you can't snipe in supremacy and do well or shotgun in trials. Destiny got its base from old halo fans that liked that kind of time to kill. Changing things that dramatically would drive a lot of players away and thats the last thing destiny needs.
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I would say on average supremacy has a comparable or possibly faster average time to kill than a cod game. Just think about how many instant deaths you have to a super, nade or shotgun. Everything in the destiny meta, except primaries, kill as fast or faster than cod.
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Why the primary supposed to be the legitimate kills weapon? I like to kill my opponent using my fist...but I never asking primary weapon to get nerfed. If you want to kill using primary..watch your distance radar and don't approach blind corner recklesly. Its make sense if you entering opponents teritory to pickup your reward bubble...you will face close distance encounter...don't use primary. Stop complaining and crying and asking gun nerf. Play accordingly. If they nerf the shotty...you will get killed by melee..would you complaining that too???
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Ah the good ol "if you don't want to die to shotguns don't get close argument". Tell me. In a crucible match there are a million different scenarios in which you have no choice but to approach a certain area or position. You have a very crap radar that provides next to no information. Movement abilities in this game are extremely powerful and allow gap closing to be extremely easy. If I don't want to get sniped I guess I should just avoid an entire part of the map all game right? If I don't want to die to supers I should just avoid any fights at all times. If I don't want to die to primaries I should just stay in my spawn right? There are far too many different scenarios and possibilities in a crucible match to say of you don't want to die to X just avoid Y. Sorry but that argument is utter crap. You ARE going to find yourself in those positions no matter what you do in this game.
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Then adjust your weapon choice accordingly. I change my weapons setting, Subclass type and perks based on Map. Big open space...that for SunBreaker, scout and sniper, Rocket. Small and alot of tunnel/ blind corners...Striker, HC/Auto and shotty, sword. If I get Bored...it will be Defender and any guns..and be ready to die alot...LOL
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True words!
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Well said. Bungie needs to address their stale-as--blam!- meta, because I guarantee you the numbers are telling them shotguns are out of hand [i]again.[/i]
