[quote]So one of the Iron Lord grimoire cards talks about how Timur was a Stormcaller. I was under the impression that Iron Lords were not Guardians, because they existed pre-Collapse and didn't have Ghosts. So how could Timur have been able to use Stormtrance? Did Warlocks, Hunters and Titans exist before the Collapse; did the Traveller's arrival allow for people to start using some powers of the light? I guess in a bit confused about who can use what powers and the defining qualities of Guardians vs. Iron Lords.[/quote] What are u talking about Saladin have a Ghost in the Iron Lords were the precursor of the guardian. Do some research. Gee seriously getting tired with people been lazy