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4/14/2010 2:49:12 AM
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Everyone in Noble Team Outranks the Master Chief
I was looking over Noble Team on B.Net, and I noticed that every single member of Noble Team, including Noble Six, outranks the Master Chief. For those not familiar with the Navy Rank template, here it is, from least prestigious, to most prestigious.
[b] Non-Commissioned Officers [/b]
Crewman Recruit
Crewman Apprentice
Crewman
Petty Officer Third Class
Petty Officer Second Class (equivalent of sergeant, given to SIIs upon graduation in 2525)
Petty Officer First Class
Chief Petty Officer
Senior Chief Petty Officer (Franklin Mendez)
Master Chief Petty Officer
Command Master Chief Petty Officer
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (Master Chief, or John)
[b] Commissioned Officers [/b]
Ensign
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Lieutenant (Noble Six}
Lieutenant Commander (Kat)
Commander (Carter)
Captain (Jacob Keyes)
Rear Admiral (LH)
Rear Admiral (UH)
Vice Admiral
Admiral
Fleet Admiral (Lord Hood)
Jorge is a Chief Warrant Officer
Emile and Jun are both Warrant Officers
As you can see, the MC is not as high a rank as Noble Team. Even the Beta company Spartan IIIs (Noble Six, Kat) outrank the MC. My question is why? This is a speculation thread. Were these Spartans promoted after they were pulled out of their respective companies to form Noble Team?
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Army vs. Navy aside, I honestly think it has more to do with the name. What sounds more badass, a character called "the Master Chief" or a character called "the Lieutenant?"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xyzzva He WAS a Master Chief Petty Officer, but at the end of Halo 3, Fleet Admiral Lord Hood *posthumously* promoted him to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Hope that clears things up.[/quote]Halo 4 Admiral chief,hell no. Master chief
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He WAS a Master Chief Petty Officer, but at the end of Halo 3, Fleet Admiral Lord Hood *posthumously* promoted him to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Hope that clears things up.
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Master Chief would pimp slap all of them by himself so I don't see the importance of his rank.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Daedalus007 He's not just Master Chief, he's Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Also, two different factions - Reach is based on the Army, as previously stated.[/quote] No, he isn't.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Centurion 7 [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Noble_Team[/url] Noble Team is Army, I'm pretty sure. [quote]Noble Team is a fire-team sized unit of the [b]Special Warfare Command[/b], composed mostly of SPARTAN-III supersoldiers and one SPARTAN-II commando as of 2552.[/quote]As said in a previous post, Special Warfare Command is Army[/quote] No, look at the ranks.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GOLD SKYCAP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] no, Commissioned officers are automatically put higher on the chain of command than NCOs are. it'd be stupid for a leutenant to not listen to a MCPO, because of experience, etc.., but technically it isn't necessary.[/quote] yeah, I know, I quoted myself, but I feel what I'm about to say deserves more than an edit, and it gives a "you're not necessarily wrong, either" to the person whose view I countered. There ARE situations where an NCO would be in command over an officer. A great example found in halo lore is when John takes [i]tactical command[/i] over the ONI officer on their longsword/pelican. this type of authority comes from high up on the chain of command, and overrides the basic rules of command for a special purpose. (i.e. the SPARTAN II's original mission)
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He's not just Master Chief, he's Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Also, two different factions - Reach is based on the Army, as previously stated.
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[url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Noble_Team[/url] Noble Team is Army, I'm pretty sure. [quote]Noble Team is a fire-team sized unit of the [b]Special Warfare Command[/b], composed mostly of SPARTAN-III supersoldiers and one SPARTAN-II commando as of 2552.[/quote]As said in a previous post, Special Warfare Command is Army [Edited on 04.13.2010 7:56 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex Mac Kee They may have higher ranks, but the Chief would still kick all of their asses at once. [/quote] LOL
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] no, Commissioned officers are automatically put higher on the chain of command than NCOs are. it'd be stupid for a leutenant to not listen to a MCPO, because of experience, etc.., but technically it isn't necessary.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GOLD SKYCAP they were most likely given higher ranks to go with their delta force style team. gives them automatic authority over any army/marine enlistees that they come into contact with if necessary, including a master chief.[/quote] Yep
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they were most likely given higher ranks to go with their delta force style team. gives them automatic authority over any army/marine enlistees that they come into contact with if necessary, including a master chief.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KalAllBea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] Wow, no. First, Noble Team is Navy. They work for Army like the Navy helps Army in Iraq. Second. MC is Master Chief Petty Officer which is a subdivision of the E-9 which has 3 variations one which is slightly higher. (Comparable to SGM, CSM, SMA) All of Noble Team outranks John-117 since he is enlisted and they are commcioned excluding the few who are warrant officers which are selected for advisory positions above enlisted due to more advanced training. That's how it goes.[/quote] That makes a lot more sense. So Noble Team is Navy, but is serving under the army, and that explains the ranks. Same goes to Kurt Ambrose, who has the rank of Lieutenant Commander, but is under Colonel Ackerson which is Army (LC is Navy).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] Wow, no. First, Noble Team is Navy. They work for Army like the Navy helps Army in Iraq. Second. MC is Master Chief Petty Officer which is a subdivision of the E-9 which has 3 variations one which is slightly higher. (Comparable to SGM, CSM, SMA) All of Noble Team outranks John-117 since he is enlisted and they are commissioned excluding the few who are warrant officers which are selected for advisory positions above enlisted due to more advanced training. That's how it goes. Edit: If you are a freshly minted officer (O-1) you still can command an E-9, it is not suggested or happens often though. [Edited on 04.13.2010 7:46 PM PDT]
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Very interesting. Never mind, the ranks are on the official pae. I am officially confused out of my mind. [Edited on 04.13.2010 7:44 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige That seems counter-intuitive. But anyway, I would assume the rest of Noble Team is navy, since there is no way those ranks could be army.[/quote] You may be incorrect, Plasma Prestige. Noble Team could be Army. Read Emile's profile on the Reach project page. For some reason I can't get my links or do a manual quote of the section, but if you go to the bungie.net home page, click on the Halo: Reach tab under Projects, and then click on personnel, and then Emile, and scroll all the way down...the guy writing the profiles confirms that they're Army when he's talking about why the Navy can't do anything about Emile's huge collection of Covenant contraband. Noble Team is a "special case" after all...maybe they're technically Navy but are operating under Army direction? No idea. Edit: [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24523] Emile's Profile[/url] [Edited on 04.13.2010 7:39 PM PDT]
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The only thing that is confusing me at the moment is how the hell Noble Team would be considered army when they all have Navy Officer ranks.
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No one ever said cheif was the best Spartan, only that he was the last Spartan. Since thats how it is, we were never able to see other Spartans kick some ass.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex Mac Kee They may have higher ranks, but the Chief would still kick all of their asses at once. [/quote] Yeah, no. Spartan II's are not better than the III's it is just their armour. He couldn't beat all of Noble. He would probably be taken down in a couple seconds.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] That seems counter-intuitive. But anyway, I would assume the rest of Noble Team is navy, since there is no way those ranks could be army.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] house187 You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.[/quote] You have a general idea on how it works, but you still have some misconstructions on it. The officers do outrank Master Chief is the main part you are wrong on.
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They handle extremely top-secret missions that they are not expected to complete alive. Or the Navy and Army ranking systems are different. EDIT: [quote]They are part of a secret Army team for specific assignments. The Spartan-IIs were made to take orders from ANYONE on the feild if it dosent conflic w/ their missions, Noble team is meant to make other ground forces to obey them & their purposes.[/quote] Put very well. [Edited on 04.13.2010 7:20 PM PDT]
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They are part of a secret Army team for specific assignments. The Spartan-IIs were made to take orders from ANYONE on the feild if it dosent conflic w/ their missions, Noble team is meant to make other ground forces to obey them & their purposes.
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You guys are a little confused on how Ranks work in the armed forces. Much of Noble team are in the Officer ranks which are entirely different than Enlisted ranks which is what MC was. Although Lieutenant Commander and Commander are extremely high ranks it is hard to compare them to a Master Chief. In the entire Navy there is only 1 Master Chief (maybe more in 2552 considering the size of the navy). This is because Master Chief is the highest Enlisted Rank. Master Chief could not be promoted any farther unless he were certified an officer. Now Noble team consists of Officers which are entirely different and to say that Noble-6 has a higher rank than the MC is incorrect because if a Lieutenant were to question a Master Chief he would be demoted on the spot. So in conclusion... No, the MC can not be outranked.
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I am almost certain Noble Team is Navy. There are no officer ranks in the Army that correspond to Noble Team (Commander, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander).
