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8/23/2016 4:59:11 PM
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The Last City and The Traveler's location

TL/DR: So this will be one of those posts that will get replies (if any at all really) along the lines of "Welcome to Destiny, you are 2 yrs late to the party, Tower is that way, jukebox in the basement." Well I still see people that don't know where the Traveler is on Earth, so here goes. I think it's in Old Russia to the East of the Cosmodrome, and a little South. I have looked for references in the community for the in-game physical location of the Traveler and The Last City and found that there are several ideas out there. Potential locations (no particular order): ⁃ Nepal https://m.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/38nbqq/the_last_city_is_pokhara_nepal/ ⁃ Philippines https://insidedestiny.net/2014/10/08/where-is-the-traveler-and-the-last-city-on-earth/) ⁃ Chile https://m.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2t214g/locating_the_tower_by_observing_the_sun/ ⁃ Canada https://m.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2st7nd/i_think_i_found_where_the_last_city_is_located_in/?ref=search_posts I don't have issues with any of these as plausible theories, but all of them use the real world to find an in-game location. This seems contrary to logic in my opinion since Bungie has said on multiple occasions that they pull from reality to infuse their story with believability. It is a narrative tool to immerse the player into the game, but the laws of reality are conveniently bent for a fictional story world as necessary to tell their story. This means we can't rely on reality to explain in-game fiction since there is always the potential for a "how the Golden Age changed the world" set of unknowns and the fact it is all made to fit the sci-fantasy theme by a game company. We instead have to use in-game lore to explain in-game fiction. From this point of view, Russia seems the only possible location for the city and the Traveller. Below are some points to support the location. I seriously doubt no one has put it together, I just couldn't find it anywhere. Implications or inferences: ⁃ Rahool says the following as you stand next to him: [quote]Civilization once stretched from the southern tip of this continent, to the frozen north.[/quote] An area that was once the USSR or Soviet Union that then turned into Russia is a potential, but so is North America and Europe, so not definitive. ⁃ Devil's Lair Strike dialog: [quote]The Fallen will continue to claw at the walls of our City, unless we strike them down. Beneath the ruins of the Cosmodrome, in the shadow of an old colony ship, we've located the House of Devils' Lair.[/quote] This implies that the Devils, in the Cosmodrome, are still near the city. ⁃ House of Devils Grimoire: [quote]These are the scourge of the City, the shadow below our walls. This is the House that led the battle at the Twilight Gap, the House we tell our children about to frighten them into behaving. The House of Devils have now devoted great strength to pillaging the Cosmodrome in Old Russia, hunting for something buried below. If they are not held in check, whatever they find might prove the City's undoing.[/quote] Again implication that the Devils are at the city's walls, in the Cosmodrome. ⁃ Fallen Walker Grimoire: [quote]At the Battle of Twilight Gap, Walkers engaged in a thunderous artillery duel with the City's gun positions.[/quote] The Widow's Court crucible map in the European dead zone, that would possibly share borders with Russia, has banners from the House of Devils and a disabled Walker in it (https://imgur.com/a/vbf92). Since we don't really know for sure where the Dead Zone is, this one is arguably quite a stretch. However 3 of 4 Titan armor items from The First Pillar Order reference guardians defending the city's strategic interests on Earth, the 4th being on the Moon. The First Pillars being a first line of defense of the city would logically allow for those locations to be in near proximity to each other, but that is purely conjecture, especially since one was on the Moon. Murvaux Type 0 [quote]Luke Romagne. Gave his last full measure in the European Dead Zone." —The Last Stands of First Pillars[/quote] Murvaux Type 0 [quote]Emonda Swale. Gave her last full measure in the Cosmodrome." —The Last Stands of First Pillars[/quote] Murvaux Type 0 [quote]Kei-Ying. Gave his last full measure at Twilight Gap." —The Last Stands of First Pillars[/quote] ⁃ Jagi's host. This is another conjecture as nothing connects the distance traveled, just that Jagi went South and got into a battle to the East of the Caspian. Ghost Fragment: Titan Grimoire: [quote]The time Ghosts from Jagi's Host came back without them. Remember - they got in that fight at some point east of the Caspian? Seven Ghosts, damn near silent, buzzing with some sort of corruption. Drifting back to the Tower, one by one. Scared the Speaker well enough. /I remember. A long time ago. Jagi tells the story differently.[/quote] Mark of Jagi's Host [quote]Jagi's Host was last seen marching south of the Cosmodrome, toward the shores of the Caspian Sea.[/quote] The host went South, but why from the Cosmodrome? What were they doing there if not connected to the city? If going South from the city, it would put it in the area of Old Russia to the North. Too much guessing on this one. ⁃ Titan Firebreak Order Mark of the Sortie [quote]At Six Fronts, two Firebreak commanders led a sortie beyond the walls. They reclaimed five miles of scorched land from the Fallen.[/quote] Five Mile Mark [quote]Radagast's Host made it five miles from the City's first walls. This pattern commemorates their march.[/quote] Iron Camelot Helm [quote]Forged in remembrance of Silimar, he who was the Last City's first wall.[/quote] I mention these in light of recent information regarding the first Iron Lords, who established the city, it's first walls (implying more walls were established) and the Guardians from the Warlords' rule. They eventually fought and sacrificed themselves to contain SIVA in the area of the current Plaguelands (Director image: https://imgur.com/r8zdoe2). SIVA, as it has been described thus far, was found by the Fallen House of Devils, which from before were based in the Cosmodrome and threatening the city. Now Felwinter Peak was established to overlook the Plaguelands and Cosmodrome. Why? If it was in proximity to the city, the area the Iron Lords fought so hard and dedicated their lives to, it would logically make sense. But this is all conjecture as we just don't have confirmation yet. Lastly, when we first start the game, we activate an old broken ship that can't leave orbit, but somehow get it back to the Tower for repairs. I doubt it could fly far, so I wonder at the distance we needed to go from where we were Risen to the Tower. Just more guessing though. All of this is pretty circumstantial evidence and proves nothing. This leads to the only piece of evidence that I can find, Twilight Gap. From the Crucible grimoire: [quote]Lord Shaxx is one of the heroes of the Battle of the Twilight Gap, having led the counterattack that pushed the Fallen from the City walls.[/quote] This means that the battle at Twilight Gap was at the city's walls, the furthest walls most likely and not just a strategically important mountain pass or other landmark. The crucible map Frontier is set at the city perimeter and there is the Cosmodrome architecture, land geology and color scheme around the map which would hint to the last city being somewhere in or around old Russia. Implication, but not confirmation since Russian writing could be anywhere and architecture/coloring doesn't prove anything. From Bungie regarding this map: [quote]One of the landmarks on the map is a little gondola platform, which is actually the same gondola you see in Twilight Gap. The idea is that these two maps are connected to each other. In the skybox, you can actually see that little outpost up in the mountains.[/quote] Coincidentally enough, we will also be riding a gondola in RoI, doubtfully the same one since they look very different. However, the Crucible map of Twilight Gap has the Traveler on the horizon (https://imgur.com/a/iCgxB). You can see it out past Control point B, opposite the guns. The very guns that likely got into combat, and still fire, at the Fallen and their Walkers. The Fallen that we know are in the Cosmodrome and are the shadows that scratch at the walls. So where is Twilight Gap? We look no further than our game Director. The No Time To Explain exotic weapon quest sends us there and since the Director functions as a map, the location of the Gap is positioned on the Eastern edge of the Cosmodrome as seen here in this screenshot (https://imgur.com/cQl9xrV). Based on where the Plaguelands get added, the city should be to the Southeast of the gap mission on the Director. That's about it. Lots of words for a single picture, but what are you gonna do? Combined with the rest and I'm convinced, but who am I but a simple guardian.
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  • Couldn't fit this as an edit due to too many characters. Edit: So I rewatched the Bungie Crucible ride along. (https://youtu.be/7fNoT9uQx74) At the 31:05 mark they were talking about the setting for the Twilight Gap map. They said "this is actually more like it was going to be part of the city, eventually we decided to go with the Cosmo pallet." Why would they choose the Cosmo pallet for the map? Maybe because it is near the Cosmodrome. Examples of the pallet in the Gap map: https://imgur.com/CaPcRfi https://imgur.com/a/GBigs [quote]But there aren't any mountains near the Cosmodrome.[/quote] Go to the Gateway where you were Risen, look West and South. Mountains, getting bigger as you look South. There's also ruins of a city to the West for grins. [quote]So why can't we see the Traveler in the skybox? [/quote] I don't have much answer for why the Traveler isn't in the skybox of the Cosmodrome. Given that the area there is near sea level, the farthest you could see from the ground would be limited to a handful of km or miles. Go up to the ship in Cayde's stash and you can see very nicely, but lets guess that the ship is an even 1000m tall (tallest bldg irl is about 830m). At that height you can only see about 112km (70 miles) to the horizon, so the City could be not much farther than that and you wouldn't see it, especially flanked by the mountains you see from Saladin's IB part of the Tower. [quote]But the Traveler is a big -blam!-ing ball.[/quote] Yeah, looking at it in the Tower and it is surrounded by clouds, clouds that go up to its tallest height, so it isn't as overwhelmingly tall as it is believed to be. Honestly, a white ball fading into a background of clouds and blocked by atmosphere distance and mountains...maybe a stretch to say you couldn't see it. Go to the top of a 7000m mountain and you can see other mountains up to 350km (220mi) away, but we never get that high up. I hope we can see it from Felwinter Peak, but who knows. More believable would be a couple ideas. - It is not right next to the cosmo, but 300km+ (180mi+) away, or - Bungie just didn't add the damn thing. I don't claim that it is walking distance away, just that it is nearby.

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    • Edited by Haffoc: 8/24/2016 3:36:08 PM
      The problem with the Traveller being near the Cosmodrome is that it is big enough to be seen for hundreds of miles away. We go to the very top of a colony ship in Cayde's stash, we wouldn't be able to miss something as big as the Traveller from there. It would need to be hundreds if not thousands of miles away for something that large not to be seen from that height. The cosmodrome walls were built long before the City walls, so you can't use them as any basis. Here's a wallpaper that Bungie released of the Last City under the Traveller, https://i.imgur.com/AsbaqE6h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wYSyDt5h.png Images showing other views from the Tower https://i.imgur.com/Ai5SVIxh.png https://i.imgur.com/8CZIZ3Uh.png https://i.imgur.com/B7OIOTNh.jpg There is nothing to indicate that the city is anywhere near the Cosmodrome, no launch platforms, no colony ships, nothing. The Traveller easily reaches cloud base, if not rising above it. That would be visible from anywhere in the cosmodrome if that's where the City is near. I really doubt the Traveller would be sitting near the location we were sending space launches from on a regular basis. Too much chance for disaster to happen. That's why space launches happen in remote places. The fallen and Hive are all over Earth. Just because they're in the Cosmodrome, doesn't mean that's where the city is. The fallen are there to pick over the remains of our technology. To scavenge any golden age tech from the colony ships and launch platforms. I'm not saying it isn't, but just unlikely.

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      • Cosmodrome could be the Yasny Cosmodrome, in the Orenburg Oblast area. Baikonur is not north of the Caspian. Though it's not a travel center per se, Yasny geographically makes more sense.

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        • There is an article from 2015 in forbes where bungie says the last city is in Nepal. There ya go.

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          • Yeah, the Cosmodrome is located in Kazakhstan. But, if the Cosmosdrome is so close ot the city why can't we see the Traveler from the Cosmodrome.

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            • Yup you are correct

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            • I remember seeing somewhere someone figured out where the last city wasand it was like Kazakhstan or Ukraine or something. It has to be a Russian city or like somewhere in the old USSR with its proximity to "old Russia" and the cosmodrome

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